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Old 16 November 2018, 01:30 PM
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Default Senior students in NZ schools confused by the word “trivial”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...co?CMP=soc_567

(BTW: Year 13 is what most of us know as Senior Year or Grade 12)

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Year 13 student Logan Stadnyk who took the exam told local media that at least half of his classmates thought trivial meant “significant”.

“Trivial isn’t a word that you hear too frequently, especially not if you’re in Year 13,” Stadnyk said.

Kristine Kilkelly, NZQA deputy chief executive assessment officer, said the exam was written by experienced history teachers who had judged it suitable for year 13 students.
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Old 16 November 2018, 02:49 PM
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A student said that at least half of his classmates didn't know the word?! That's reportable 'news'? 6300 students took the exam and they've received 13 complaints.
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Old 16 November 2018, 03:12 PM
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I assume Trivial Pursuit is no longer played, at least in New Zealand.
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Old 16 November 2018, 03:15 PM
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Give the paper a break, international law requires that they run a story showing how kids today are so much worse than adults at least once a month.
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Old 16 November 2018, 05:07 PM
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Give the paper a break, international law requires that they run a story showing how kids today are so much worse than adults at least once a month.
Also that they spend all their money on avocado and waste all their time snapchatting their Instagrams for selfies on Twitter while chilling out with Netflix.

Although I will note that someone I follow on Twitter has mentioned that she will deck the next arsehole that talks about avocados. AFAIK, she’s an unmarried mother of a girl that just moved out of a shithole house that wasn’t properly insulated.
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Old 16 November 2018, 05:10 PM
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Isn't the avocado toast bs something people say about Millennials? These aren't Millennials.
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Old 16 November 2018, 06:28 PM
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A student said that at least half of his classmates didn't know the word?! That's reportable 'news'? 6300 students took the exam and they've received 13 complaints.
Are you saying that this story is trivial?
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Old 16 November 2018, 07:33 PM
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Isn't the avocado toast bs something people say about Millennials? These aren't Millennials.
"Millenials" has shifted from talking about a specific section of the population that was born from the early 80s to the late 90s to simply being used as a generic term for anyone who's younger than you that's (allegedly) doing something you don't like.
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Old 16 November 2018, 07:58 PM
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And that's as good of a definition of generations as any other, really.
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Old 17 November 2018, 01:19 AM
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"Millenials" has shifted from talking about a specific section of the population that was born from the early 80s to the late 90s to simply being used as a generic term for anyone who's younger than you that's (allegedly) doing something you don't like.
It always was that. Now there are people saying "Hang on, these aren't millenials because whatever ludicrous arbitrary definition we had for millenials doesn't apply to them", but whatever term those people come up with for this "generation", it will soon be used in exactly the same context. Possibly even with "worse than millenials" attached.
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Old 17 November 2018, 01:28 AM
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"Millenials" has shifted from talking about a specific section of the population that was born from the early 80s to the late 90s to simply being used as a generic term for anyone who's younger than you that's (allegedly) doing something you don't like.
Well, I was going more for “ha ha ha da yoof are so stupid”…which probably also goes to show I don’t really understand Boomers either…
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Old 17 November 2018, 01:34 AM
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FWIW, the writer of the article is not a Boomer, she's a Millennial.
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Old 17 November 2018, 01:42 AM
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…which probably also goes to show I don’t really understand Boomers either…
Well, "boomers" is about the only one of these terms that makes sense, but only in that it describes people born during the measurable demographic phenomenon of the post-WWII baby boom. Not in that it says anything about the actual people born during those years.

There are plenty of social effects of the baby boom, but these terms have always been nonsense when trying to apply them to the way that typical people, let alone actual individuals, behave in any given context. I'm not sure when that started to happen but I blame Douglas Coupland a bit, for popularising the term "Generation X".
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Old 27 November 2018, 07:51 AM
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Isn't the avocado toast bs something people say about Millennials? These aren't Millennials.
That is a reference to something that one of our politicians, I believe it was Scott Morrison, said about millennials who were finding it hard to save for their own home (or something like that). He said they should perhaps stop going out for avocado toast and eat at home more. Immediate outrage from the populace. "How dare he for not realising how hard home ownership is in the new century" or some such comments.

Now I don't agree with a lot of what ScoMo says but I got where he was coming from. Home ownership cost and can become more or less easy with the rise and fail of the market. But you may have to make a few sacrifices.

In the late nighties I had what I thought was a good job and decided to start thinking about saving to buy my own place. I did most of my own cooking and used public transport. But occasionally I would get a taxi home and would occasional get a takeaway meal. I stopped doing that. In no time at all I had enough money saved for a deposit. Unfortunately the company I was working for went into receivership and I lost my job.

I managed to pay my mortgage and feed my self pretty well I a part-time wage and part pension. But I did have to watch my pennies.

But it isn't just millennials that don't get that. I have clueless comments from all age groups. I got myself second job that almost brought my hours up to fulltime. I brought my self a takeaway and I took my leftovers in for lunch the next day.

"See" my boomer boss said to me (with a certain air of triumph) "It is hard to cook all your meals when you are working full time"

"Screw you woman" I wanted to say "I cook all my meals, not due to a excess of time but due to a lack of funds" but she was my boss so I didn't. I simply said I couldn't afford it before.

But NFBSK I did most of the cooking for pretty much my Mum's whole side of the family (about 20 people) while working for full time. It is amazing what you can do if you have to.
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Old 27 November 2018, 09:17 PM
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'Where he's coming from' is a place of what looks increasingly wilful ignorance.
If the situation in Australia is anything like here, the problem as I and my peer group is experiencing it is not a lack of dedication to scrimping, or commitment, or being a scattergood re. toast and that. It's the feeling that we are, almost artificially, being prevented from participating in the market. And I'm not so much outraged as ****ing tired.

The standard is that you won't get a mortgage for more than 5x your salary yet the average house price in my area is 10x that. The stock of available, let alone affordable, housing gets sopped up by the parasitism of buy-to-let, with which we cannot compete.

Never mind that mortgage repayments on what we're realistically looking at would be less than what we currently have going on rent. It is increasingly abstract and detatched from real-world circumstances. My parents got their mortgage from the council, which seems hopelessly utopian to me.
We're not being unrealistic about what we can afford- the market is.

I know precious few people who own, and those that do were able/had to do things like move back in with parents for 2 years, rent-free, and save absolutely everything. And they live in the middle of sodding nowhere. Nice place, but one of their little sacrifices was most of their immediate socialising. Where's that on the going without toast scale?

'Make a few sacrifices'. Oh, you should just live somewhere cheaper! Community, culture, family, friends? Job in a specialised industry? Nope, all expendable. Sacrifices.
All the finger-wagging in the world about toast and pennywatching isn't going to make those choices any easier. Maybe if more of it were aimed at the lenders, too.

Every year less bread, and damn you for a whingey millennial if you expect a few roses.
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Old 28 November 2018, 05:03 AM
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"Millenials" has shifted from talking about a specific section of the population that was born from the early 80s to the late 90s to simply being used as a generic term for anyone who's younger than you that's (allegedly) doing something you don't like.
I heard Millennials as being defined as the generation born in 1985-2005. Since I was born in 1985, I am officially a Millennial and thus, I am one of those people who will destroy civilization. I wonder if I can put this on my resume along with the fact that I was Time Magazine’s Person of the Year for 2006. I’m always looking to spice up my resume.

I have to admit that the “avocado toast” meme has long confused me. While I know they aren’t the cheapest produce, at the same time, they’re probably not caviar-level expensive. It’s not like we’re living in the 16th century and bringing home avocados requires a several month voyage fraught with peril. We have these things called airplanes, trucks, and barges that are propelled by more than just the wind and waves, which makes bringing in goods from far away much easier. In addition, we’ve probably developed several varieties that make it relatively easy for us to grow avocados wherever we can, so we don’t have to get them solely from Mexico and South America, which further drives down costs. WTF?!
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Old 28 November 2018, 05:16 AM
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The term was actually coined in 1987 to refer to kids who were going to be graduating high school in 2000. There isn't a hard, universally agreed upon starting or ending point, but it generally seems to be considered to start 1980-1982 and goes until 1994-1997.
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My parents got their mortgage from the council, which seems hopelessly utopian to me.
We're not being unrealistic about what we can afford- the market is.

Every year less bread, and damn you for a whingey millennial if you expect a few roses.
Australia is not England. My baby boomer parents didn't get their mortgage from the council. Neither did I. My Dad worked two jobs so Mum could stay home with us. And then when they wanted to buy their own business they re-mortgaged the house and went to every bank in town before they got the loan.

My brother and sister-in-law brought the family business (different business) and were meant to be paying my parents back, but when the business got into trouble they stopped paying them back which is fine but they also took a nice little holiday which neither I or my parents could afford. When my parents owned their first business they had one weeks holiday each, separately, in five years. This was a seven day a week business, the only days off were Good Friday and Christmas day.

I wouldn't want to live like that so never went into business for myself. My brother was right there with me, he is three years older then me. He knows what our parents went through. My baby boomer parents aren't living it up, not the way they should be with how hard they work.

It isn't just millennials that I look at and think "Really you have no idea"
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Australia is not England.
Quite, hence 'if the situation there is anything like here'.

The toast-spendthrift gripe has found acceptance far beyond Australia, however, and similar sentiments get levelled at anyone hinting that 'wheee housing market' may have its downsides.

ETA: Maybe not that dissimilar.
"In Melbourne, people pay up to almost 10 times their annual income to purchase a home. And in neighboring Sydney, the second-least-affordable housing market in the world, it’s up to almost 13 times the annual income."

Also: looking it up, the meme originated with a columnist, who judges it acceptable for only the middle-aged to eat at cafes, Bernard Salt, and was then elevated to high art by a millionaire property developer. Class.
Slightly better than a politician in terms of 'add it to the list of reasons to die', but scoring far higher on 'why listen to these people?'

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