snopes.com  

Go Back   snopes.com > SLC Central > Soapbox Derby

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15 March 2017, 11:11 PM
TallGeekyGirl's Avatar
TallGeekyGirl TallGeekyGirl is offline
 
Join Date: 31 December 2005
Location: Virginia
Posts: 12,217
Read This! Federal judge blocks new Trump travel ban

Quote:
(CNN)A federal judge in Hawaii has blocked President Donald Trump's new travel ban on Wednesday afternoon, hours before the ban was set to go into effect.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/politi...l-ban-blocked/


Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 15 March 2017, 11:34 PM
crocoduck_hunter's Avatar
crocoduck_hunter crocoduck_hunter is offline
 
Join Date: 27 May 2009
Location: Roseburg, OR
Posts: 12,645
Default

Saw that coming.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16 March 2017, 12:36 AM
Mouse's Avatar
Mouse Mouse is offline
 
Join Date: 10 July 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 7,394
Mouse

Is it wrong that I'm wondering about the racial makeup of the judge in question? It probably is, but I am kind of curious. Because if it turns out that said judge is so white, he blinds passers-by with the glare coming off his skin, it would be entertaining to watch Trump lose his shit. Though he would lose his shit no matter what; it'd just be nice to force him to resort to some other defense besides "His ethnicity inherently biases him against me," like he did towards that one Hispanic judge.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16 March 2017, 12:44 AM
thorny locust's Avatar
thorny locust thorny locust is offline
 
Join Date: 27 April 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 9,374
Default

From this article, which I was just coming here to post:

Quote:
U.S. District Court Judge Derrick Watson ruled that the state of Hawaii and a local Muslim leader had “a strong likelihood of success on their claim” that Trump’s order intentionally targets Muslims and therefore violates the Constitution’s guarantee against establishment of religion.

Watson bluntly rejected the federal government's claims that the new directive does not target Islam because it is focused on six countries that account for less than 9 percent of the world's Muslims.

"The illogic of the Government’s contentions is palpable," wrote Watson, an appointee of President Barack Obama. "The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed. The Court declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise."
Go Watson!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 16 March 2017, 06:11 AM
Don Enrico's Avatar
Don Enrico Don Enrico is offline
 
Join Date: 05 October 2004
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 7,614
Default

For those wondering whether Trump can attack the ethnicity of Judge Watson, here is his page at the US District Court:

http://www.hid.uscourts.gov/dsp_bio....&pid=5&mid=103
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 16 March 2017, 01:04 PM
ChasFink's Avatar
ChasFink ChasFink is offline
 
Join Date: 09 December 2015
Location: Mineola, NY
Posts: 839
Icon102

A part of me feels really strange doing research on someone's race, but here's more info via CNN, emphasis added:

Quote:
When Watson was confirmed, he was the fourth person of Native Hawaiian descent to serve as an Article III judge in the United States, according to the Congressional Asian Pacific Americans Caucus.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16 March 2017, 01:25 PM
Don Enrico's Avatar
Don Enrico Don Enrico is offline
 
Join Date: 05 October 2004
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 7,614
Default

So Judge Watson is - if you allow the term for the sake of the argument - much more American than third-generation immigrant President Trump.

Although neither of them might see it that way.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16 March 2017, 02:38 PM
UEL's Avatar
UEL UEL is offline
 
Join Date: 01 August 2004
Location: Fredericton, Canada
Posts: 9,251
Baseball

I heard it on the radio coming to work this morning that a Maryland judge blocked the travel ban as well. Apparently, it happened this morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politi...ner/index.html

CNN has a line about it in this article.

Unfortunately, President Trump won't take the hint and start focussing his energy into resolving the issues that are really impacting Americans.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 16 March 2017, 04:21 PM
dfresh dfresh is offline
 
Join Date: 11 November 2005
Location: Oxford, PA
Posts: 4,202
Default

UEL, those are complex and require a lot of hard choices and work. It is a lot easier to ban those people and "Lock her up!"
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 16 March 2017, 04:30 PM
Lainie's Avatar
Lainie Lainie is online now
 
Join Date: 29 August 2005
Location: Suburban Columbus, OH
Posts: 74,411
Default

That would require admitting he was wrong, which doesn't seem to be his strong suit.

Shockingly, adding the words "this is not religious discrimination" to the order did not magically make it not religious discrimination.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 16 March 2017, 04:49 PM
GenYus234's Avatar
GenYus234 GenYus234 is online now
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 26,088
Default

Scary sign of the times we live in #1: I had to do a Google search for the full text of the new travel ban because I couldn't automatically dismiss such a ridiculous notion as an obvious joke.

Scary sign of the times we live in #2: It isn't.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16 March 2017, 05:23 PM
erwins's Avatar
erwins erwins is offline
 
Join Date: 04 April 2006
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 12,159
Default

"'Let me tell you something: I think we should go back to the first one and go all the way,' President Donald Trump said at a rally in Nashville. 'This ruling makes us look weak.'"

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-the-first-one

Brilliant!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 16 March 2017, 06:36 PM
thorny locust's Avatar
thorny locust thorny locust is offline
 
Join Date: 27 April 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 9,374
Default

You are weak, O Donald.

Not as weak as I wish you were, true. But what's making you look weak is your own self; not judicial decisions made by people brave enough not to be terrified by your fear-mongering.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16 March 2017, 09:39 PM
WildaBeast's Avatar
WildaBeast WildaBeast is offline
 
Join Date: 18 July 2002
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 15,580
Default

Remember that picture that circulated some years ago that was supposed to be Barack and Michelle Obama saluting with their left hands, but was really obviously just flipped in Photoshop? Snopes pointed out a few things that made it obvious that it was flipped, like their wedding rings being on the wrong hands. Then someone Photoshopped it to "fix" the things that were wrong with it and recirculated it, except that person literally only fixed the few things snopes mentioned in his article and none of the other things that were also wrong but snopes didn't bother mentioning. So then snopes debunked it again by updating the article to point some of those other things.

Well that's what the new travel ban reminds me of. Granted I haven't actually read the full text, but it seems like all they really did was remove the things that people complained the most vocally about in the first ban. Then when the new version got blocked as well they were just shocked that there were other things wrong with it as well.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16 March 2017, 10:39 PM
DrRocket's Avatar
DrRocket DrRocket is online now
 
Join Date: 03 February 2006
Location: Rosemount, MN
Posts: 2,224
Default Analysis: Trump learning that in White House, words matter

Donald Trump is learning a harsh lesson: In the White House, words matter.

The new president's rhetoric, along with commentary from his advisers and associates, was at the heart of two federal judges' orders this week blocking his controversial refugee and immigration ban for a second time. And on Capitol Hill, his tweets alleging that his predecessor wiretapped his New York skyscraper have brought Democrats and Republicans together in rare agreement: They've seen no evidence to back up Trump's provocative claims

http://www.startribune.com/analysis-...ter/416376154/

His campaign nonsense is coming back to bite him. I find that especially delicious.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 17 March 2017, 12:15 AM
Mouse's Avatar
Mouse Mouse is offline
 
Join Date: 10 July 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 7,394
Mouse

Quote:
Originally Posted by thorny locust View Post
You are weak, O Donald.

Not as weak as I wish you were, true. But what's making you look weak is your own self; not judicial decisions made by people brave enough not to be terrified by your fear-mongering.
Always seems a thing with Fascists: their hypermasculinity always overshadows deep-rooted insecurities. Because if they were secure in their manliness and strength, they wouldn't have to constantly assert how strong and manly they are.

Hence why we should follow Samantha Bee's strategy: Keep Pissing Trump Off. Totally onboard with that idea. Piss Trump off in ways great and small, make him so busy throwing tantrums on Twitter that he can't find time to erode civil liberties and run roughshod over human rights, while fellating Putin.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 27 June 2017, 09:34 AM
Don Enrico's Avatar
Don Enrico Don Enrico is offline
 
Join Date: 05 October 2004
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 7,614
Default

Trump travel ban: US supreme court partially lifts block on order

Quote:
The US supreme court handed a partial victory to the Trump administration on Monday as it lifted significant elements of lower court orders blocking the president’s controversial travel ban targeting visa applicants from six Muslim-majority countries.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rtially-lifted

If I remember correctly, the first travel ban, meant to last 90 days, was issued in January to gain time to allow new immigration vetting procedures to come into force. It was blocked by courts. The next travel ban, again for 90 days, was introduced in March. It was blocked again, and part of that block has now been lifted.

The administration had - despite there being no travel ban - far more than 90 days since January to introduce new immigration vetting procedures. Did they? And if they didn't, did they at least say anything about what better procedures that are supposed to be? Did anybody at least talk about immigration vetting procedures?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 27 June 2017, 01:51 PM
thorny locust's Avatar
thorny locust thorny locust is offline
 
Join Date: 27 April 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 9,374
Default

Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what the Supremes are up to on this. (Of course, it's likely they're not all up to the same thing.)

In October, maybe they're going to say 'you said you needed 90 days to revamp procedures, you've had over 90 days, why are you in here trying to keep these regulations? Obviously they weren't in order to give you 90 days and that must have been a coverup for your real, unconstitutional, intended purpose.'

Or maybe not.

In the meantime, while they did require letting some people in, others are going to be at best delayed -- and, in some cases, those delays are likely to mean deaths.

And, for that matter, some who are entitled to come in under the Supremes' qualifications will be delayed while they have to try to prove their entitlement. See above.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 27 June 2017, 02:08 PM
GenYus234's Avatar
GenYus234 GenYus234 is online now
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 26,088
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Enrico View Post
The administration had - despite there being no travel ban - far more than 90 days since January to introduce new immigration vetting procedures. Did they? And if they didn't, did they at least say anything about what better procedures that are supposed to be? Did anybody at least talk about immigration vetting procedures?
You're talking about the same political party who has been "planning" to replace the Affordable Care Act for 7+ years but just got around to writing the legislation a few months ago.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 27 June 2017, 02:52 PM
thorny locust's Avatar
thorny locust thorny locust is offline
 
Join Date: 27 April 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 9,374
Default

And has not successfully written it yet.

Last I looked they were bleeding just enough votes on both ends of the party in the Senate to prevent passing the latest disaster. I hope.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Trump blasts 'so-called' federal judge's block of travel ban Sue Soapbox Derby 60 25 February 2017 04:03 PM
Federal judge strikes down gay-marriage ban in Alabama snopes Moot Court 18 30 September 2016 11:00 PM
Florida abortion law definitively blocked by federal judge Psihala Moot Court 0 19 August 2016 07:43 PM
Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Gay Marriage Ban CenTex Soapbox Derby 0 26 February 2014 07:14 PM
Federal judge who sent racist Obama email says he will retire snopes Soapbox Derby 0 04 April 2013 03:40 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.