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Old 15 March 2007, 03:05 AM
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Tsk, Tsk Rose admits to betting on Reds every night

Pete Rose has revealed that he bet on the Reds "every night" while he was manager of the team and that the Dowd Report was correct when it said he did so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498
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Old 15 March 2007, 09:21 PM
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Pete Rose should never, ever, ever be admitted to the Hall of Fame. The Hall isn't big enough for the jerk.

OTOH, Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in Cooperstown.

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Old 15 March 2007, 09:28 PM
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He bet on his team to win? Where's the problem then? If he was betting against them, and then using his managerial position to throw the game, I could see a problem, but not here.
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Old 16 March 2007, 01:09 AM
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He bet on his team to win? Where's the problem then? If he was betting against them, and then using his managerial position to throw the game, I could see a problem, but not here.
Because:

a) A manager can still use his position to make moves that enhance the chances his team will win the games he bets on (or the games he bets more money on) at the expense of the team's long-term record.

b) Rose didn't say that he didn't also bet on other teams as well.

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Old 16 March 2007, 02:11 AM
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I heard an interview with Dowd today (The Mitch Albom Show on WJR in Detroit, although Steve Courtney was hosting today) where the reporter said that isn't true - Rose didn't bet on games where 2 certain pitchers were starting or that he would only bet a nominal amount and on other games, bet large amounts, so it was easy to tell that he wasn't really betting on the team.
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Old 16 March 2007, 02:40 AM
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I heard an interview with Dowd where the reporter said that isn't true - Rose didn't bet on games where 2 certain pitchers were starting
That was covered in the article linked in the OP:

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Dowd told the program that Rose did not bet at all in the 1987 season when Mario Soto or Bill Gullickson pitched. He also said that Rose bet while he was playing.
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Old 16 March 2007, 01:06 AM
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Pete Rose should never, ever, ever be admitted to the Hall of Fame.
I have to respectfully disagree. I don't think gambling on your team is necessarily the worst crime someone could commit.

His accomplishments should be recognized by the hall -- although I would have no objection with having the gambling prominently featured as well.
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Old 16 March 2007, 03:23 PM
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Pete Rose has revealed that he bet on the Reds "every night" while he was manager of the team and that the Dowd Report was correct when it said he did so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498
Keith Olbermann (who was there) pointed out that the comment was a defense, not an admission and that the entire story was misreported.

Betting is unjustifiable, but if Rose was betting on his own team every night, then it does eliminate the main problem with betting on your own team, which is how the team is affected when you don't bet.

If you bet on the games regularly, then one day stop betting on your team, the bookmakers will take this as inside information. And they may be right: if your money is not on the line, you may decide to rest your best players for games when it is.

But if you bet every game, it's much less likely to affect strategy, since you're working to win every game.

Not that Rose is justified, of course.
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Old 16 March 2007, 04:30 PM
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But if you bet every game, it's much less likely to affect strategy, since you're working to win every game.
Only if you're betting the same amount on every single game. Otherwise, you still have an incentive to do more to try to win the games on which you bet larger amounts of money.

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Old 16 March 2007, 06:00 PM
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Actually, for me, Rose's jerkdom goes back to his playing days when he made a hard play at home plate and ended the career of the American League catcher standing in his way in the All-Star game. He was an arrogant player who took care of himself first and the current round of news on his betting reinforces that.

It is just coincidence, but think about this, the man whose career record for hits that Pete Rose beat Ty Cobb, was somewhat similar--fiery, win-at-all-costs, and Cobb also had his own betting scandal. Compare with the record for consecutive games played: Cal Ripken and Lou Gehrig--steady players with great skills. Of course, the analogy goes to pot if you look elsewhere, so coincidence it is.

Rose really wants to play by his own rules. His records are history and are recorded at Cooperstown and in the record books. Like Ty Cobb, that fact doesn't mean that I should like the man.

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He bet on his team to win? Where's the problem then? If he was betting against them, and then using his managerial position to throw the game, I could see a problem, but not here.
Aside from the excellent points snopes made, it was against the rules.

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I have to respectfully disagree. I don't think gambling on your team is necessarily the worst crime someone could commit.
Oh, Canuckie, hell must be freezing over. I'm going to disagree with you again. It makes mesad.

Betting on your team is obviously not the worst crime someone could commit. However, it is a violation of MLB rules, for which the punishment is expulsion from baseball. So unless you also support letting Shoeless Joe in the hall, you'll have to explain to me why an exception should be made for Pete Rose.

On an unrelated note, he is a world-class asshole, and I bet Joe and the guys won't let him play on the field of dreams.
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Old 16 March 2007, 07:17 PM
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Oh, Canuckie, hell must be freezing over. I'm going to disagree with you again. It makes mesad.
It makes me angry. You shall pay for such a betrayal!



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Betting on your team is obviously not the worst crime someone could commit. However, it is a violation of MLB rules, for which the punishment is expulsion from baseball. So unless you also support letting Shoeless Joe in the hall, you'll have to explain to me why an exception should be made for Pete Rose.
I don't think Shoeless Joe is in the same league (no pun intended). He was accused of intentionally throwing games. There's no indication that Rose did. In fact, betting on his team would be a motivation to get them to work harder, no? Rose didn't admit to betting on other teams, just his.

ETA: Truth be told, I'm rather indifferent as to whether he's reinstated, seeing as it will have minimal effect on my life. If they do reinstate, cool. If they don't, same thing for me.

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