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Old 14 February 2014, 05:44 PM
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I would think dead children would be more expensive than beef.
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Old 14 February 2014, 06:43 PM
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I would think dead children would be more expensive than beef.
Less meat, more bones.
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Old 14 February 2014, 06:48 PM
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Probably good for soup.
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Old 14 February 2014, 10:24 PM
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Good grief.

I would use considerably stronger language, but no language suited to the above would be suited to these boards.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to go watch the videos. For one thing, I don't want to give them any clicks. For another, I doubt either my stomach or my brain can take it.

-- crescent, I did do a bit of googling for Abe Finkelstein. He's apparently claiming, or claimed by others, to be associated with Chabad-Lubavitch; but, while they're not by most standards "mainstream", this doesn't sound remotely like them.
I did did watch the video and the guy doesn't sound like any Jewish man I ever met. He sounded more like what an anti-semite would imagine a member of the "Jewish conspiracy" would sound. "Vee have brain-vashed them vith our evil conspiracy."
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Old 15 February 2014, 04:10 AM
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Probably good for soup.
Oh yes, nothing like a nice boyillabaisse or a rich girlspacho.
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Old 15 February 2014, 12:35 PM
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Goyspacho, surely?
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Old 15 February 2014, 05:46 PM
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Humans are not kosher.
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Old 15 February 2014, 05:49 PM
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Well, not if they're crawling. Otherwise, I think it's disputable.
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Old 15 February 2014, 05:51 PM
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And now I want soup.
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Old 15 February 2014, 06:33 PM
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Humans don't have split hooves or chew cud. Hence, as land animals go, they are probably not kosher, although there has been rabbinic dispute over this.
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Old 15 February 2014, 07:41 PM
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there has been rabbinic dispute over this.
Say what?

I am curious about the circumstances under which any rabbis were claiming that human meat is kosher. Or was this one of those three-in-the-morning-with-wine theoretical discussions?
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Old 15 February 2014, 10:19 PM
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Who can say where it really came from? But here's an example:

http://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/p...er/2013/04/04/

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Reb Chaim Soloveitchik explains that the Rishonim who asked this question knew that there is a special drasha that permits the blood and milk of a human. However, they learned that the drasha was not needed to permit the blood and milk from the issur of kol hayotzei min hatamei, tamei. Rather they understood the drasha was needed so that we would not consider milk and blood to be just like human flesh and prohibit the flesh, milk and blood all in the same prohibition. The drasha, in their view, permits not only milk and blood, but also permits human meat. This is their source that the meat of a human is permitted.
As for why these guys had that discussion so many centuries ago...well, wine was probably there at some point, yes, but...can't help you there.
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Old 16 February 2014, 12:01 AM
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Okay. That is way over my level of theology -- though if I followed it at all, I note that the opinion seems to be that eating human flesh is prohibited, whether or not humans are kosher.

Human milk would pretty much have to be permitted; otherwise how were you going to raise all the babies? -- although, come to think of it, maybe they'd be exempted as being too young to have to follow the law.
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Old 16 February 2014, 12:05 AM
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The opinion of the author of the piece is saying that; he's discussing the mishnaic debates. It's not my area of expertise, either.

Human milk is permitted. But the milk of a non-kosher animal is not. Hence, the discussion. (Rabbis have been known to discuss a lot of strange theoreticals that you'd think would not have any applicability.) Here's a different source:

http://www.torah.org/linkedlists/tor...vol3/0210.html

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However, eating human flesh is a more controversial subject. There are at
least four different opinions on the subject. The Ramban says that when
the Gemara learns that eating blood is permissible, it also learns that
eating human flesh is permissible. The Ra'avad (Hilchos Ma'achalos Assuros
3:4), the Rashba, and the Rosh (5:19) agree with the Ramban. However, the
Rosh adds that the same rabbinical prohibition that applies to human blood
(when it is detached) also applies to human flesh. The Reah and Ritva say
that eating human flesh is forbidden because humans are not kosher animals
and that the permission learned in the Gemara does not apply to flesh. The
Rambam (Hilchos Ma'achalos Assuros 2:3,3:4) agrees that the permission does
not apply to human f lesh. However, he feels that the prohibition not to
eat non-kosher animals does not apply to humans but the positive
commandment to only eat kosher animals effectively excludes the option.
The difference being that if you did eat human flesh and it was forbidden
by a prohibition (Reah and Ritva) then you would be punished by a beis din
(rabbinic court) with lashes. If it was only forbidden from a positive
commandment (Rambam) then there would be no such punishment from a beis
din. The Nimukei Yosef agrees with the Ramban that theoretically human
flesh is permissible to eat. However, because it forbidden to eat flesh
from a live animal (Eiver min hachai) and it is forbidden to derive any
benefit from a human corpse, it is impossible in practice to use th is
permission. The Tur and Shulchan Aruch do not discuss this issue and the
Rema (YD 79:1) says that human flesh is biblically forbidden (not like the
Ramban, Rosh, etc.) to eat (not like the Ramban, Rosh, etc.) but does not
specify which biblical prohibition.
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Old 16 February 2014, 01:50 PM
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Rabbis have been known to discuss a lot of strange theoreticals that you'd think would not have any applicability.
Oh yes indeed. It's rather like snopes: absolutely anything can be discussed; and, sooner or later, probably will be.

I was trying to figure out whether there was a practical context to the blood permission -- do you know the text in the Gemara? I wonder whether it had to do with the possibility of bleeding gums or loose teeth (so that one might swallow one's own blood, or kiss somebody who might have traces of blood in the mouth); the discussion in your link might also have had something to do with not having to throw out an entire large quantity of food because someone had accidentally cut themselves while chopping/cutting it -- while the detached blood still isn't permissible, it might have been necessary for human blood to be theoretically kosher so that only obvious blood needed to be removed, rather than the entire potful/animal/whatever having to be discarded.

I'm sure this has been discussed at huge length before by people who know a whole lot more about the subject than I do.
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Old 16 February 2014, 05:24 PM
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My only knowledge concerning whether human meat is kosher comes from a Monty Python sketch:

"Johnson's not kosher."
"That depends how we kill him, sir."

All I know is this will bring odd thoughts to my mind when I hear someone order a Happy Meal and the clerk asks "Boy or girl?"
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Old 17 February 2014, 05:24 PM
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I was trying to figure out whether there was a practical context to the blood permission -- do you know the text in the Gemara?
I'm sure this has been discussed at huge length before by people who know a whole lot more about the subject than I do.
My WAG is that it could have come up during the discussion about human milk. I have a friend who told me when she breast fed her daughter it caused her nipples to scab over for the first few weeks. She told me that the pain wasn't the worst part, it was the realization her daughter was ingesting her blood at every feeding.
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