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Old 02 April 2013, 11:04 PM
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Flame Gate to Hell Found in Turkey

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A “gate to hell” has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey, Italian archaeologists have announced.

Known as Pluto's Gate -- Ploutonion in Greek, Plutonium in Latin -- the cave was celebrated as the portal to the underworld in Greco-Roman mythology and tradition.
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Old 03 April 2013, 12:54 AM
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Don't tell me it moved! I thought it was in Siberia.
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Old 03 April 2013, 12:36 PM
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"Killed instantly by the carbon dioxide fumes"? I wonder if that's correct or if they mean carbon monoxide. I guess a lot of CO2 would make you hyperventilate but the actual cause of death would be suffocation (if the CO2 had displaced most of the oxygen), which I wouldn't have thought would be instant. Perhaps birds are small enough that it is. They also wouldn't necessarily think to move away.

That doesn't look to me as though they've only just found it, though. Maybe they've only just finished the excavations and cleaned it up for people to visit.

I like it when they find real mythical places like this. I saw the flames of the Chimaera near Olympos when I was in Turkey - it's meant to be where Bellerophon, riding on Pegasus, slew the Chimaera. It crashed into the ground in flames and the flames are still there. Obviously that's not really what the flames are, but it's sort of ironic that Greek and Roman myths often seem to be more grounded in reality than Christian ones...
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Okay so now they have found the Gates to Hell, they can now answer the age-old question - is the road thereto paved with good intentions?
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Old 03 April 2013, 01:59 PM
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"Hello, looking for Satan, is this the right address?"

"No, sorry, this is the gate to Hades. You want Avernus, in Italy."

BTW, carbon dioxide may be correct. Mark Twain writes about the Grotto of the Dog, near Naples, in The Innocents Abroad. Carbon dioxide, which is heavier than air, collects on the floor of the grotto. A small dog will suffocate, while humans don't feel any effects at all because the carbon dioxide layer doesn't reach even their waists (though Twain does say that if one falls asleep on the floor of the grotto he never gets up again). There's a bit about the Grotto of the Dog here. It's very close to Avernus, which Virgil and Dante both regarded as the Gateway to the Underworld.
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Okay so now they have found the Gates to Hell, they can now answer the age-old question - is the road thereto paved with good intentions?
No, but you can go there in a handbasket.
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You can die by carbon dioxide, too, even in the presence of adequate oxygen. It just requires higher levels of exposure than carbon monoxide, and has a different mechanism.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/smother.asp
http://www.ehow.com/info_8696252_sta...n-dioxide.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia

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No, but you can go there in a handbasket.
At least D'Andria and his colleagues can legitimately claim that they have been there and back! They could even spice it up by saying what a great time it was.
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