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Old 25 March 2010, 08:32 PM
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Comment: Today I just learned from someone I spoke with in Washington DC that
Congress is about to vote on and is expected to pass a bill which the Pres.
has already stated he will sign requiring anyone who purchases or leases a
new car or light weight truck after June 30, 2010 must do so from either
General Motors or Ford in order to support the investment the Fed Gov't made
in the auto industry bail out. Any vehicle purchased from an auto co. other
than General Motors or Ford, will require the purchaser to pay a fed tax of
15% of the retail LIST PRICE of the car purchased. If the purchase or lease
is made by corporate employer, the responsibility of repayment of the new
federal tax will be the responsibility of the individual who makes use of
the vehicle. The bill also mandates that each state DMV is required to send
a copy of all new vehicles registrations licensed in that state to the IRS
for compliance and enforcement purposes.

In the same conversation, I was also told there is a good deal of talk in
the Congress to create other bills establishing the same strategy that will
applicable toward durable goods (e.g. washing machines, refrigerators,
furniture, carpeting, etc.); clothes; all electronics; certain food items;
durable medical equipment and medical "tourism". The one relating to
durable goods will mandate that every legal resident in the U.S. must
purchase new items every five to seven years, depending on the item.
Records of all such transactions must be reported by the seller, to the IRS for
compliance and enforcement purposes.

When I asked what was driving all of this, I was told all of this is
considered constitutionally valid under the interstate commerce clause of
the U.S. Constitution and that there are numerous members of Congress who
believe these measures will also significantly enhance their ability to
raise significant political contributions from corporations based upon the
recent U.S. Supreme Court decision proclaiming that corporation have the
same constitutional rights of individual persons.

Anyhow, I just thought you might be interested to learn of this.
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Old 25 March 2010, 09:01 PM
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Given that Ford did not receive any Federal money, this is not based on fact.
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Old 25 March 2010, 09:39 PM
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Aside from the obvious tip-off that RichardM mentions, there are a couple of other clues that this is not based on any real legislation.
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Any vehicle purchased from an auto co. other
than General Motors or Ford, will require the purchaser to pay a fed tax of 15% of the retail LIST PRICE of the car purchased. If the purchase or lease is made by corporate employer, the responsibility of repayment of the new federal tax will be the responsibility of the individual who makes use of the vehicle.
This is obvious, unenforcable nonsense. Company owned vehicles are rarely driven by just one employee. And if one was, there is no way that that employee could be required to a tax for use of the vehicle.
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durable goods will mandate that every legal resident in the U.S. must purchase new items every five to seven years, depending on the item.
Again, utter nonsense and completely unenforcable. Can you imagine the administration it would require to keep track of purchases and force people to buy things?
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Old 25 March 2010, 09:47 PM
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Paranoia springs eternal. Really, someone could listen to that and actually wonder if it's true?
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Old 25 March 2010, 10:40 PM
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What if I want to buy a Dodge Challenger?

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Old 25 March 2010, 10:44 PM
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Paranoia springs eternal. ?

No, it runs deep. (thank you Buffalo Springfield)
I just can't believe that there are people out there who actually beleive this stuff.

Dawn--..into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid..--Storm
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Old 26 March 2010, 05:46 PM
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No, it runs deep. (thank you Buffalo Springfield)
I just can't believe that there are people out there who actually beleive this stuff.

Dawn--..into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid..--Storm
Step out of line, the man come and take you away.
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Old 26 March 2010, 06:08 PM
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Step out of line, the man come and take you away.
What's with the hijack? I think it's time we stop. children, what's that sound, everybody look what's goin' down...

Well, there's my earworm for the day.
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Old 26 March 2010, 08:23 PM
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What if I want to buy a Dodge Challenger?

-RB
Sorry, Dodges are now Fiats.
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Old 26 March 2010, 08:30 PM
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Sorry, Dodges are now Fiats.
In the last two weeks I replaced the radiator and the oil pressure switch on my Dodge Neon. This weekend I am replacing the heater core, which requires the removal of the entire dashboard, including the steering wheel, instruments, and both airbags.

I'm beginning think that Fiat might be a good influence on those guys...
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Old 26 March 2010, 08:36 PM
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Since summer is almost here and I am lazy, I would be tempted to just loop the water hoses together and leave the heater coil out of the loop. On the other hand, it is still cool enough that working on the car won't be too unpleasant. Myself, I am off this weekend to find good rally roads northwest of Dallas.
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Old 26 March 2010, 10:18 PM
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I did loop the hoses as a temporary fix. But around here it's still a bit on the chilly side to try to go without at least a little heat.
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Old 26 March 2010, 10:31 PM
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Sorry, Dodges are now Fiats.
Does Fiat own a majority stake yet?

-RB
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Old 26 March 2010, 11:31 PM
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No, it runs deep. (thank you Buffalo Springfield)
I had completely forgotten that song! Time for an iTunes search...I'm introducing my children to the joys of what Mommy listened to way back when.
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Old 27 March 2010, 12:49 AM
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Does Fiat own a majority stake yet?

-RB
I think so but I don't know for sure.

I like to joke that when I bought my Dodge pickup less than two years ago, I actually bought a Mercedes for cheap. Now I say I have an expensive Fiat.
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Old 27 March 2010, 12:53 AM
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I like to joke that when I bought my Dodge pickup less than two years ago, I actually bought a Mercedes for cheap. Now I say I have an expensive Fiat.
When I was in college, we regularly made fun of one of our friends who had a Jeep Grand Cherokee by calling it a Chrysler. He hated that, which, of course, led to us continuing to do it.
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Old 27 March 2010, 03:02 AM
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What if I want to buy a Dodge Challenger?

-RB
Then do it quick!

Got mine last August.
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Old 27 March 2010, 03:07 AM
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Half-jokingly, this actually might be enforceable under the Commerce Clause. Courts have held the Commerce Clause to give Congress basically the power to do whatever it wants as long as someone says "Oh yeah, and interstate commerce."
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Old 27 March 2010, 04:46 AM
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I think so but I don't know for sure.
Finally got a chance to look it up-Fiat owns 20%. I don't know if this is a majority stake, in business terms. It is surely a significant chunk.

I'd be happy if the Fiat/Chrysler hookup would finally enable me to buy a new Alfa Romeo. And if I could afford to buy such a thing in the first place.

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Old 27 March 2010, 04:47 AM
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When I was in college, we regularly made fun of one of our friends who had a Jeep Grand Cherokee by calling it a Chrysler.
I liked to call my sister's Grand Cherokee an "AMC", which she didn't get but my Dad certainly did.

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