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Old 31 July 2013, 10:24 PM
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Police George Zimmerman armed when stopped for speeding in Texas

George Zimmerman was armed when an officer pulled him over for speeding in North Texas.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/31/g...n-north-texas/
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:28 PM
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Good grief, he could be here right now. I better go get my gun. Oh wait, I'm not black and wearing a hoodie.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:29 PM
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I'm not sure why this is news. His reckless behavior in terms of carrying weapon was basically justified by a court of law, so one would expect him to continue to carry.

When stopped by the officer, he behaved as he should have, informing the officer of his weapon and obeying instructions.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:32 PM
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No reckless behavior involved - he has a concealed carry permit. he was advised years ago by Florida police to get one and do so, due to dogs in the neighborhood trained and bred to be vicious.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:32 PM
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I think Ryda means his reckless behavior in Florida, not Texas.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:35 PM
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Exactly, GenYus
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:36 PM
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I think Ryda means his reckless behavior in Florida, not Texas.
His carrying of a firearm wasn't reckless though.

Personally I don't like CCW because it brings a firearm into every situation, but there is nothing that points to him being reckless in carrying a firearm.

If he was reckless then he would have lost his right to carry and been cited for it. At least in California we have laws to remove a CCW from someone who is reckless.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:53 PM
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I agree with the first bit. I would say he behaved recklessly while carrying a firearm.

He could have been charged with recklessly carrying a firearm, but that would have had to have been at the same trial. IMS, once you are found not guilty of a crime, any other crime that may have been committed during the same event is also off the table due to double-jeopardy. So it wasn't that he wasn't reckless because he wasn't charged and convicted, but that the issue was never brought forward.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:54 PM
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His carrying of a firearm wasn't reckless though.
Legally, perhaps not. In reality, however, it most certainly was.
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Old 31 July 2013, 10:59 PM
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How so? AFAIK, he wasn't brandishing it, he didn't have it stuffed loose in the waistband of his sweats, he wasn't carrying it while getting drunk. His other activities that night may have been reckless, but the manner and fact of his carrying a firearm was not itself reckless.

ETA: Unless you are saying that simply carrying a firearm is reckless, in which case probably 3/4 of the state is reckless most of the time.
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:12 PM
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I amend my statement to "his reckless use of his firearm...."
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:33 PM
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I amend my statement to "his reckless use of his firearm...."
He had been knocked down to the ground, and was straddled and being pummeled by a much stronger, young, taller man who had trained to destroy people with his fists. That is one of the least reckless circumstances to use a weapon in self-defense i can think of.
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:34 PM
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Boxing is not the art of destroying people with your fists.
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:36 PM
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He had been knocked down to the ground, and was straddled and being pummeled by a much stronger, young, taller man who had trained to destroy people with his fists. That is one of the least reckless circumstances to use a weapon in self-defense i can think of.
Had been trained to do what?

Where did I miss that Martin was an MMA expert? Exiting the car with the gun in hand was where Zimmerman went wrong and was being reckless. Nor do we have any evidence he was "knocked to the ground" or that he was being "pummeled." If he was being "pummeled," he'd have more than a couple of scratches. If he was being "pummeled" by someone "trained to destroy people with his fists," he'd have severe injuries.

You can't have it however you want when the evidence doesn't back it up.
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:37 PM
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Mack, how on earth can you possibly know that Trayvon Martin was stronger?
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:38 PM
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Well, he WAS trained to destroy people with his fists, Lainie. Nevermind the significant weight advantage Z had.
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Old 31 July 2013, 11:48 PM
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Mack, how on earth can you possibly know that Trayvon Martin was stronger?
Martin was a varsity football player and a mixed martial arts fighter. Zimmerman was a pudgy insurance agent (or was it adjuster? - no matter). Even when Z tried to learn self-defense, his teacher called him hopeless or words to that effect.
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Old 01 August 2013, 12:00 AM
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Martin talked about fighting like in the MMA in texts. Just like someone would have talked about fighting like in Fight Club if that was the current en vogue fighting meme. And (possibly due to police use of the term) someone described what they saw as being like something that happens in an MMA match.

ETA: Zimmerman was the one who had actual MMA training.
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Martin was a varsity football player and a mixed martial arts fighter. Zimmerman was a pudgy insurance agent (or was it adjuster? - no matter). Even when Z tried to learn self-defense, his teacher called him hopeless or words to that effect.
So you're guessing, as I thought.
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Old 01 August 2013, 12:03 AM
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Martin mentions MMA fighting in texts.

Of course, sworn testimony at the trial indicates that Zimmerman was the one with MMA training:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...of_testim.html

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A physician assistant who treated George Zimmerman's injuries the day after he said he shot and killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense testified Friday that she had treated Zimmerman before, and that he told her he'd had been involved with mixed martial arts several times a week.
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