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Old 02 October 2013, 01:56 AM
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Mister Ed Are horses vicious? Connecticut supreme court to decide

A Connecticut Supreme Court will soon make a decision on whether to declare horses an inherently vicious species.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bl...urt-to-decide/
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Old 02 October 2013, 02:05 AM
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Initially, a New Haven court sided with the farm owner, but an appellate court overturned that ruling, calling horses ”a species naturally inclined to do mischief or be vicious” per Astriab’s testimony.
Per Astriab's testimony? Does that mean the appellate court passed judgment on an entire species based on one farmer's account?

An entire species of herbivores, I might add.
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Old 02 October 2013, 03:26 AM
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Many horses are gentle and placid but some are downright vicious (I believe the term "ornery" is traditional ) and race horses are quite often especially foul tempered since they're working animals and not companion animals and they're bred for their tenacity and spirit. Horses have huge teeth and powerful jaws so even a playful nip can be extremely painful but they can also tear out chunks of flesh if they're in a particularly fowl mood, as you'd expect from any high strung 1000lb+ animal. A quick google search shows stories about horses biting off fingers, ears and even a testicle.

Many people seem to be unaware that horses can be that dangerous, like this cyclist who tried to approach some wild horses and got bit:

As you can see from the thumbnail his arm luckily slipped into the gap behind the horse's teeth and he only got gummed instead of actually bitten so his wound could have been much worse. I've had an EMT from a rural area tell me that out of all the call outs he gets for farm injuries the horse bites can be especially nasty.


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An entire species of herbivores, I might add.
Herbivore species can be complete jerks. Hippos are a great example, they're total jerks.
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Old 02 October 2013, 04:18 AM
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For some reason I keep reading the thread title as "Are Horses Suspicious?"

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Old 02 October 2013, 04:59 AM
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Yeah, GM, "herbivore" is not synomymous with "nice and cuddly". Some horse can be sweet, and some will do anything they can to show you you are not the boss of them.

IME, Dropbear, your reading of it is pretty valid. They are prey animals who only.survive by being fast, and they do tend to be a bit more nervous of new people and things.
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Old 02 October 2013, 05:28 AM
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Ugh, I can't believe I misspelled "foul" as "fowl". Although Canadian geese are total jerks so I guess some fowl are truly foul.
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Old 02 October 2013, 05:54 AM
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Herbivore species can be complete jerks. Hippos are a great example, they're total jerks.
Fair point. But hippos aren't prey animals like horses are, and horses don't tend to attack people in the wild.

What does the court even mean by "vicious?" That's more extreme than "territorial" or even "ornery" IMO, and what species kept as a pet has no examples of individuals that nip, scratch, or kick?

Vicious to me is more like what chimps do when they eat the face and hands off a friend. You don't usually see that kind of attack from a horse. They don't hunch over their victims for a quick snack when they're done with their maiming.

ETA-Did you see the documentary Buck? There was an orphaned stud in that movie that seemed to me to be the definition of a truly "vicious" horse. But it was a rare thing to find one that dangerous. He stalked people like a predator.

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Old 02 October 2013, 03:23 PM
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horse bites can be especially nasty.
So can moose bites!

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Old 02 October 2013, 12:52 PM
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This is a three year old case between a parent whose child was bitten by a horse and a farm owner. Link.
So the child was bitten by the horse AND the farm owner?

Also not to forget: Bad Horse from Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog.

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Old 02 October 2013, 01:37 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me. I haven't trusted farm owners since I was a toddler and one of them gave me some "cow cake" to eat, telling me it was "cake". (Cow cake is fodder made from compressed silage. I guess it could have been worse. At least he didn't bite me.)
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Could have been even worse if he gave you "cow pie."

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So the child was bitten by the horse AND the farm owner?
Considering this case, it wouldn't surprise me in the least!
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Old 02 October 2013, 02:51 PM
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I could almost (please note the almost) not blame the farmer if he'd bitten the parent.

Letting your 1 1/2 year old child try to play with a strange horse, despite warning signs, is just about as responsible as letting the kid play in the middle of the road. I think it's the parent who should be up on charges.

And, seriously, declaring the entire species vicious because horses have been known to bite or kick people? Perhaps the court would like to declare the law of gravity vicious because people fall down and hurt themselves.
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A family friend jokes about the "carnivorous ponies" her family owned when she was a child.
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A family friend jokes about the "carnivorous ponies" her family owned when she was a child.
So the Mares of Diomedes had descendants?
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