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Old 09 January 2009, 01:53 AM
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This email is circulating currently among Jehovah's Witnesses:

>Subject: Result of Chernobyl [JW] -- LOOK AT THE PICTURES FIRST

>It is IMPORTANT that you look at the pictures BEFORE you read the message
below.

>You will appreciate this MORE if you do so. Thus go ahead and look at the
pictures first. (Open attachments)






One of the pictures attached is with a little boy. Take a close look at
him. He is actually 21 years old and attended pioneer school in Kiev. His
name is Sasha and he is a great example. The way he learned the truth is
very interesting. One of our sisters met Sasha's fleshly sister in the
ministry.

She started studying, and Sasha would sit in on the study. This all
started about three years ago. When he would sit in, the sister conducting
the studies thought how nice it was for this little child (since he looks
like he is only four years old) to sit in on the study - and also noticed
how much he was understanding. She was really amazed at his comments and
his intelligence. Then one day while looking at photographs, she noticed
that in the photographs the girl with whom she was conducting the study
was very young, but Sasha looked exactly the same. She started asking
questions and found out that Sasha was actually older than his sister - he
was 18 years old!

He was four years old when the Chernobyl disaster happened - he stopped
growing that year. Many children received medicine that helped, but
because his mom and dad were poor and both alcoholics, he never received
the help he needed. He is an incredible person. On top of his small
stature, he also has a stuttering problem. But it does not slow him down.
He is very zealous in the ministry and loves Jehovah. He's been baptized
two years and pioneering* for one year."

*"Pioneering" is their in-group lingo for full-time door-to-door preaching.
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Old 09 January 2009, 03:33 AM
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It is possible. Here is a link of pictures from Chernobyl. One of them is a 6 year old who hasn't grown since she was 3. It seems most of the children are born with hydrocephalus or end up with brain tumors though. I can't verify the op picture.
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Old 09 January 2009, 06:16 AM
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him. He is actually 21 years old and attended pioneer school in Kiev
Chernobyl happened in 1986, if he was 4 when it happened, wouldn't he be 27? Maybe this is an old email circulating, but somehow the numbers seem off. The kid in the pics just looks like a little kid to me.

I know there are alot of medical issues going on with people who were there and who are still being exposed to radiation, but the kid doesn't even look sick...he looks like a fairly healthy 6-7 year old to me.
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Old 09 January 2009, 10:50 AM
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It's just a kid, and he seems to be standing with Admiraldinty

Also, why is he holding 5 cameras?

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Old 09 January 2009, 11:06 AM
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Even if the kid were not a kid, but was instead an adult that was very small, I fail to see what Chernobyl had to do with it. Maybe, maybe if you showed me statistics that this ailment was common in irradiated areas, I might. One case? Nope.
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Old 09 January 2009, 12:34 PM
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Even if the kid were not a kid, but was instead an adult that was very small, I fail to see what Chernobyl had to do with it. Maybe, maybe if you showed me statistics that this ailment was common in irradiated areas, I might. One case? Nope.
Also, "stop growing" and "stop aging" are not the same. Even if radiation did cause people to stop growing, they are not going to be 21/27 with a 4 year old's face.

Why do I have a feeling we will see a lot of these types of e-mails spurned on by Benjamin Button.
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Old 09 January 2009, 01:56 PM
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Also, "stop growing" and "stop aging" are not the same. Even if radiation did cause people to stop growing, they are not going to be 21/27 with a 4 year old's face.
Some dwarfisms, such as the one Emmanuel Lewis has, do make the person appear very young for a long time. They are not caused by radiation, though.
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Old 09 January 2009, 02:02 PM
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Jehovah's Witnesses FAIL glurge!
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Old 09 January 2009, 02:14 PM
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It's just a kid, and he seems to be standing with Admiraldinty

Also, why is he holding 5 cameras?
Finally, a question I can answer! At events, it is not uncommon for a large group of people to pose together and all of them pass off their camera to one person who is not with the group. That person takes a single photo with each of the cameras.

Anyway, he certainly looks like an ordinary, healthy child.
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Old 09 January 2009, 03:46 PM
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Finally, a question I can answer! At events, it is not uncommon for a large group of people to pose together and all of them pass off their camera to one person who is not with the group. That person takes a single photo with each of the cameras.
Aah, cheers
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Old 09 January 2009, 11:17 PM
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It is possible. Here is a link of pictures from Chernobyl. One of them is a 6 year old who hasn't grown since she was 3. It seems most of the children are born with hydrocephalus or end up with brain tumors though. I can't verify the op picture.
The people in these pictures look frail compared to the one in the OP.
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Old 10 January 2009, 01:33 AM
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The clothing styles and decorating in the room don't look Russian to me.
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Old 10 January 2009, 02:38 AM
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The clothing styles and decorating in the room don't look Russian to me.
But do they look Ukranian?

I didn't look at the pictures first, so I didn't appreciate the story.
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Old 10 January 2009, 10:15 AM
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...I'm just a little more inclined to believe that those photos depict a normal six or seven-year-old boy and someone thought it would be funny to slap on an amazing story and pass it around.

By-the-way, am I the only one who expected to see some horribly deformed child or animal and an admonishment about considering nuclear power as an alternative fuel source?
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Old 10 January 2009, 02:12 PM
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It is possible. Here is a link of pictures from Chernobyl. One of them is a 6 year old who hasn't grown since she was 3. It seems most of the children are born with hydrocephalus or end up with brain tumors though. I can't verify the op picture.
Despite the site name, those are actually pictures from Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan, which had some really different issues.

Actually, I thing that as far as radiation goes, Semipalatinsk is in much worse shape than Chernobyl.
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Old 10 January 2009, 02:16 PM
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Some dwarfisms, such as the one Emmanuel Lewis has, do make the person appear very young for a long time. They are not caused by radiation, though.
You missed the most interesting part of the email: his parents were alcoholics.

I mean, I can imagine this happening if he was born after Chernobyl. But, basically, in this case it might just be a coincedence.

I'm not trying to say that Chernobyl was harmless or anything. But all the effects I am aware of are more along the lines of tumors and cancers, sometimes - birth defects, quite often - immune system and blood cell problems, but this is something new.
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Old 10 January 2009, 02:22 PM
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The clothing styles and decorating in the room don't look Russian to me.
It looks exactly like run-of-the-mill Soviet school would look after some renovations in the 90s. The clothes look like early 2000's for me, as well.

I mean, as such, the story is quite believable. The one area Soviet society definitely sucked at was the integration of people with disabilities into society. For a disabled/deformed/disadvantaged/"not normal" boy a church would be a natural place to turn to.

I'm just a little surprised I can't find anything on it, but a) Jehowa's Witnesses generally keep low profile in CIS due to acceptance issues (in general, people really don't like them) and b) as claimed, this seems to be a rather old story from the pre-internet era.
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Old 11 January 2009, 03:47 AM
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I can't easily tell from the size of the pictures, but his teeth almost-kind-of look like adult teeth. They look a little stained, worn, close together, and longish to be baby teeth I think...but then, in addition to not being a dentist or photography expert, I'm also full of it.

or maybe he just likes a little cigar with his sippy cup of coffee.
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Old 11 January 2009, 05:27 AM
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Is it just me, or does the guy standing with him in the first picture have either an open fly, or a ripped out crotch?

Radiation can destroy your body's ability to make human growth hormone. A kid in my shul who had leukemia went through three years of chemo and radiation, and a year after it was all over, was declared cancer free, but he hadn't grown more than an inch, and hadn't started puberty at all, even though he was 15. He was in about the 75th percentile, IIRC, when he was diagnosed, compared to the other kids his age I knew, but at fifteen, he still looked thirteen just by the way he dressed and talked, and if you saw him going to his sophmore classes in high school, you would think he must be twelve or thirteen, and very bright.

Anyway, once he was determined to have no greater chance of developing a cancer than someone who had never had cancer before, he was given artificial HGH injections. He started to grow quickly, and slimmed out from being just a little chubby. By the time he was 21, and stopped the drugs, he was 5'10, an inch taller than his father, trim, broad-shouldered, and a remarkably kind and patient person I kept wishing we could get to teach in the religious school.

Now, I don't know that the radiation exposure at chernobyl is anything like what happens to a kid who had radiation treatment for leukemia.

I can tell you that this is a medicine, HGH, that requires refrigeration, and injection, and training in injection, and showing up for doctors appointments to keep getting the prescriptions. If the alcoholism determines that the parents will either not administer the medication correctly, and thus may cause harm, like acromegaly from forgetting injections, then trying to give a week's worth at once, or to forget them at all, and sell the HGH on the black market. Or give a little more that is prescribed, and get a little more from another doctor, or the black market, in the hope of producing a great athlete, and just produce someone with spinal tumors or something.

In the US, a system of visiting nurses, or school nurses would administer the medicine, and the parents would never see it.

In the Soviet Union, the kids would live in a hospital during the whole course of the treatment, whether the parents were trustworthy or not.

Again, I must repeat, I don't know that a kid who experiences a single exposure like the one in Chernobyl, then the lingering exposure, has an experience anything like someone who receives cancer treatment in a US hospital.
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This disturbs me the most:
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One of our sisters met Sasha's fleshly sister in the ministry.
"Fleshy"?
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