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Old 01 September 2015, 05:49 AM
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Japan Japan: some interesting facts

Comment: This showed up in an email forwarded by a relative. I doubt its
voracity, but don't have the data to refute its claims. Clearly some of
this is wishful thinking (Cell phone usage in trains is rampant, not
forbidden) and the comments at the end about Islam almost seem to
represent the Tokugawa perspective towards Christians.

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Hi: Perhaps we have something to learn from Japan

* In just ten years Hiroshima returned to what it was economically
vibrant before the fall of the atomic bomb.

* Japan prevents the use of mobile phones in trains, restaurants and
indoors.

* For first to sixth primary year Japanese students must learn ethics in
dealing with people.

* Even though one of the richest people in the world, the Japanese do not
have servants. The parents are responsible for the house and children.

* There is no examination from the first to the third primary level
because the goal of education is to instill concepts and character
building.

* If you go to a buffet restaurant in Japan you will notice people only
eat as much as they need without any waste because food must not be
wasted.

* The rate of delayed trains in Japan is about 7 seconds per year! The
Japanese appreciate the value of time and are very punctual to minutes and
seconds.

* Children in schools brush their teeth (sterile) and clean their teeth
after a meal at school, teaching them to maintain their health from an
early age.

* Japanese students take half an hour to finish their meals to ensure
proper digestion because these students are the future of Japan.

The Japanese focus on maintaining their culture. Therefore,

* No political leader or a prime minister from an Islamic nation has
visited Japan, not the Ayatollah of Iran, the King of Saudi Arabia or even
a Saudi Prince!

* Japan is a country keeping Islam at bay by putting strict restrictions
on Islam and ALL Muslims.

1) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.
2) In Japan permanent residency is not given to Muslims.
3) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan
4) In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic language is not
taught.
5) One cannot import a 'Koran' published in the Arabic language.
6) According to data published by the Japanese government, it has given
temporary residency to only 2 lakhs, Muslims, who must follow the Japanese
Law of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese and carry their
religious rituals in their homes.
7) Japan is the only country in the world that has a negligible number of
embassies in Islamic countries.
8) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.
9) Even today, visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or
managers sent by foreign companies.
10) In the majority of companies it is stated in their regulations that no
Muslims should apply for a job.
11) The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are
fundamentalist, and even in the era of globalization they are not willing
to change their Muslim laws.
12) Muslims cannot even rent a house in Japan.
13) If anyone comes to know that his neighbor is a Muslim then the whole
neighborhood stays alert.
14) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic 'Madrasa' in Japan...
15) There is no Sharia law in Japan .
16) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim, she is considered an outcast
forever.
17) According to Mr. Kumiko Yagi, Professor of Arab/Islamic Studies at
Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, " There is a mind frame in Japan that
Islam is a very narrow minded religion and one should stay away from it."

The Japanese might have lost the war, but they are in charge of their own
country. There are no bombs going off in crowded business centers, "Honor
Killings", nor killing of innocent children or anyone else.

Something to think about......
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Old 01 September 2015, 06:18 AM
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I'm pretty sure that I've seen that BS about Islam in Japan before.
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Old 01 September 2015, 06:21 AM
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The entire anti-Muslim rant at the end seems very tacked on, and was probably not a part of the original text.

I also know for a fact that the anti-Muslim bit is, at least, mostly wrong, as I have worked with Arabic Muslims who have gone to University in Japan. Also, the Japanese clearly has no problem visiting Muslim countries or doing business with them...

As for terrorism, they did have that sarin gas attack, a decade or so ago (which, by the way, wasn't done my Muslims anyway...).

My guess is that someone found a list on the net, decided to tack on some racist fake-facts at the end, and posted it.
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Old 01 September 2015, 06:32 AM
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Yeah, I think we did discuss this at least once before. I don’t see the point in going through every item when they’re pretty much all complete nonsense.

There is a a Dr Yagi, and she has commented on the 17th numbered item:
Quote:
About the chain email concerning Islam in Japan
      My name is mentioned in the email and I am quoted as saying that there is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is
      a very narrow minded religion and one should stay away from it. It is taken out of context. What I said
      about Islam in Japan is on the website below.
      http://www.arabnews.com/node/252539
      All the information in the email is malicious falsehood.
http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/yagikumiko/English.html
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Old 01 September 2015, 06:50 AM
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At least some of these, especially the Islam bits, don't strike me as particularly good. Glad to know those at least are false.
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Old 01 September 2015, 12:41 PM
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I doubt its voracity
So do I. I don't see how it's capable of eating anything.


(I wish that bit of lack of proofreading were all that's wrong with it --)
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Old 01 September 2015, 12:57 PM
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I'd also like to point out there have been terrorist attacks in Japan before...notably the sarin gas attack by Aum Shinrikyo
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Old 01 September 2015, 01:02 PM
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Now, now. No need to ruin the sweeping generalizations lists like this rely on to work with niggling little facts.

~Psihala
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With regard to #15, there is no Sharia Law in Australia, either.
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Old 01 September 2015, 01:55 PM
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That is quite probably the only true item in there.
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Old 01 September 2015, 04:42 PM
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Japan Local Mosques and the Lives of Muslims in Japan

There are currently between 30 and 40 single-story mosques in Japan, plus another 100 or more apartment rooms set aside, in the absence of more suitable facilities, for prayers. Many Muslim communities have plans to build mosques in the near future.

http://www.japanfocus.org/-kawakami-...6/article.html
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Old 03 September 2015, 01:38 AM
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No cell phones indoors? What nonsense. Even on trains the main concern is pacemakers: http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2...crowded-areas/
Japan is a major trading partner for Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation, and it's largest export partner. Among other relations, Japanese Prime Minister Tanaka Kakuei's visited Jakarta in January 1974, and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono sent birthday greetings to Emperor Akihito of Japan in December of 2012. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...then-ties.html
Now, if you want to talk about Japanese prejudices against blacks, particularly Americans, to which the Japanese themselves are curiously blind, that's a different matter. http://content.time.com/time/magazin...149882,00.html
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* Japan prevents the use of mobile phones in trains, restaurants and
indoors.


Uh, no. They're everywhere. Mobile culture is much, much larger there. They were doing things with cellphones we hadn't yet dreamed of early on.

* Even though one of the richest people in the world, the Japanese do not
have servants. The parents are responsible for the house and children.


Yes, because the Japanese maid isn't a thing. Exceedingly rich Japanese families have servants, same as most everywhere in the world and have for a long time considering they had an Emperor in more than name until the 1940's.

There is no examination from the first to the third primary level
because the goal of education is to instill concepts and character
building.


I SEVERELY doubt this given that would only give them three years to teach them everything they need to know and quiz them on it before THE exam. High School exams are no joke in Japan and they will kick your arse...repeatedly. Then there are college entrance exams which anyone who passes earns all respect from me.

* If you go to a buffet restaurant in Japan you will notice people only
eat as much as they need without any waste because food must not be
wasted.


Because they magically know how much they're going to eat? The human brain tends to be a jerk about things and makes you think you're more hungry then you are. I HIGHLY doubt the Japanese have a magic "I will eat this much and no more' button in their brains to change this.

What you are in fact seeing is smaller portion sizes and thus minimal waste.

* Children in schools brush their teeth (sterile) and clean their teeth
after a meal at school, teaching them to maintain their health from an
early age.


You cannot steralize your teeth without taking them out of your mouth and doing a bunch of things to them that would not be good for the teeth or your health. Japanese oral hygiene is not any better or worse then the rest of the developed world's.

The Japanese focus on maintaining their culture.

A LEETLE too much at times.

Not even going to touch the racist bits except to say that yes, Japan does has prejudices. They were a closed culture for quite a while and some of the effects still linger. However, many cultures are anti-whatever isn't them, so I'm not going to go beating a drum for them to change over night.

I find it interesting however, that this article reveals more about the author than it does the Japanese culture.
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A quick Google search will give you the address of just about every embassy in Tokyo, and every Muslim country is represented, including all those countries in Africa, Southeast Asia and the Balkans that all the haters seem to forget about when they start spewing "facts" about Islam.
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Having seen the inside of some, I can say, well, they're just ordinary consulates with people from the local country on the staff - some who may be muslim.

There are even a few famous muslim Japanese citizens. The government isn't even permitted to ask people their about religion, much less discriminate on that basis.
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I'm pretty sure that I've seen that BS about Islam in Japan before.
Yes we did. (According to my records it was three years ago this month.) Like the OP here that email seems to have originated on Hindu nationalist websites. For example, the oldest matches I can find to the OP are this 12 September 2012 message board post and this BareNakedIslam post dated 21 September 2012.

However, there are earlier versions on Hindu nationalist sites that are very similar but with one very big difference. For example, there is this post titled "Japan, a Country keeping Islam and Christianity at bay" on the website Hindu Janajagruti Samiti dated 30 April 2012.

It begins very similarly to the OP.

Quote:
a) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.

b) In Japan permanent residentship is not given to Muslims.

c) There is strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan.
An so on. However, it has a second half that starts as follows:
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2. Strict restrictions on the conversion to Christianity

a. In Japan there are strong restrictions on conversions to Christianity.

b. If due to any reason one converts his religion then both, one who converts and one who helps both are severely punished.

c. If a foreign citizen does this then he is given a strict notice to leave Japan immediately.
And so on. I found this on other Hindu nationalists sites here and here. I also found that many of these English-language Hindu sites referenced various Marathi-language sites based in India. Unfortunately, all of those sites are now gone and I couldn't find them at web.archive.org.

Brian
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* Children in schools brush their teeth (sterile) and clean their teeth
after a meal at school, teaching them to maintain their health from an
early age.
Just adding to what Saitaina said about this. I didn't comment on this before because it was strange wording. But as I have said before, I have worked as a cleanroom technician, I know about sterilising things. Thinking you can sterlise your teeth is just wrong. But unfortunatly, the advertising industry has done such a good job of convincing the uneducated the you can rid your home of "germs" by using their product people are think it can be done. It is not only impossible but also undesirable to rid you body and your digestive tract of bacteria. And your mouth is the first part of your digestive tract.

As for the "interesting" facts. Interesting to me is code for a list of things that are not only predujiced but aren't even facts (that is true).
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Even if the points about Muslims are true (and I doubt that), the entire exercise is just post hoc ergo propter hoc. There is no connection between the first half and the second half.
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The "facts" are never as interesting as ones you just make up.

  1. In 1945, the entire population of Japan was seventeen people, total.
  2. Japan is the only nation in the world where the sun rises in the west and also sets in the west.
  3. "West Side Story" is based on an ancient Japanese fable about some frogs and a motorcycle.
  4. Furniture can be "japanned." You put it on a table and whack it repeatedly with a katana.
  5. To the Japanese, Japan is called "Nippon," from the way Japanese mothers told their sons, "Nip on down to the grocery and buy us some rice."
  6. Japan is spelled the same backward or forwards: Japan and japaN. See?
  7. Whenever the Japanese find themselves growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in their souls; whenever they find themselves involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral they meet; and especially whenever their hypos get such an upper hand of them, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent them from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, they account it high time to get to sea as soon as they can. Well, that, or order a pizza.
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There's another point that this, and other 'religious' facts about Japan forget:

For all their "We are Japan, we do not change ever" attitude...they are magpie's of culture, much like the US, they absorb bits and pieces (which is why Japan and the US seem to have cultural love affairs with each other) and the same is true of their religions.

While many of the Japanese are officially "Shinto" Buddhists, they practice other religious ceremonies for big events in their life, including Christian style weddings complete with priest (and/or combining the two or having both a Buddhist and later a Christian wedding depending on how traditional the family, I know a young couple who had very strict traditionalist grandparents so they had a 'traditional' wedding that was for the older people and a more modern wedding for friends and co-workers).

The idea of banning one (or two or several) religions and cultures isn't really in line with their absorption of culture and traditions. Granted, they wouldn't treat it with the same respect and honor as they would their own (have you seen some of their santas?), but they would still use it and ignore the more serious aspects.

As for converts to religions, they're probably treated like most things forgin, interesting and second class, but not banned.

What gets me about these 'facts' are not just the insults to the culture maligned (Muslims) but also the insults to the Japanese (or Indian, or American, or whatever) culture it's trying to say is better. Every culture has faults, every religion has faults, but there is no need to insult both by making them better or worse than they really are. Learn to be accepting and open minded or learn to keep your mouth shut *grumpy face*

(A. Yes, I cannot spell forgin and Chrome is not telling me the correct version, please forgive me (and can someone give me the correct spelling so I can tell Chrome?), B. I am not Japanese nor do I live there, so I speak only from six years of cultural studies and several Japanese friends who have instructed me in great detail of life both traditional and modern for a book I was working on, there may be errors as I, unlike the list writer, do not claim all knowledge *grins*)
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