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Old 13 July 2018, 03:45 AM
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I usually think Tomi is a half-baked rant factory, butÖI kinda agree with her here.
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Old 13 July 2018, 04:53 AM
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I honestly think that Republicans are not going to ever actually overturn Roe v Wade - Its such a great thing to campaign on that actually doing it will mean that they can't campaign on it. They would much rather just whittle it away on the state and federal level to appease their base.

In reality, they know that overturning Roe v Wade won't get rid of abortions - especially toward their rich base, and they need it to use on their mistresses.
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Old 13 July 2018, 10:46 AM
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Responding to diddy's comment, I think it’s a mistake to hold that belief. It may appear to be the case in a Marxist (Leninist?) "look to who will benefit" sort of way, but I think it ignores:

1) Republicans are not monolithic
2) Individual Republicans, particularly politicians, may only claim to be so for the very reason you claim Republicans as a group wouldn’t really want to overturn Roe v Wade (to get votes, basically)
3) a) All Republicans, and indeed all politicians, are human (okay, other species have some construct of social hierarchy and killing off an alpha may be taken as a crude sort of political process, but just bear with me)
3) b) All humans are mortal
3) c) Combining 3 a and b above, we can see that no republican need concern him or her self with being able to sustain a beneficial state of affairs indefinitely, only during their (political) lifetime. Heck, look at climate change as an example.

Taken all together, it may be that Republicanism personified into a supernatural entity with a will of its own would wage an Orwellian unending war against abortion or big government, but for better or worse, no such monster exists.

The monsters that DO exist are not necessarily beholden to the party, rationalism, or even self-preservation in a political sense. Certainly, by the time one becomes President, one only has 4-8 more years to worry about in terms of political life. Throw a shameful opportunist into the mix and who knows what he... or she (but mostly he right now) will come up with.

Trump seems like just the sort of monster to lead (trumpet?) the charge against Roe v Wade.

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Old 13 July 2018, 05:33 PM
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Also, of course, what the Republicans in political power want and what the Supreme Court decides to do are not the same thing. Maybe Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and even Trump and Pence would secretly rather not overturn Roe, but the court could go its own way. (I'll admit that, while I am entirely in favor of a right of access to safe and legal abortion, the specific reasoning used in Roe has always seemed a little shaky to me.)
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Old 15 July 2018, 04:05 AM
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diddy, I wouldnít assume things. We didnít think our president would be a rancid, bigoted Oompa-Loompa who brags about how he wipes his ass with the law and canít bring himself to condemn Nazis, despite being a Post-World War II president, yet here we are. Until offered some damn convincing proof otherwise, Iím going to treat every word that comes out of the mouths of Trump and co. as a poisonous promise.
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