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Old 12 September 2016, 07:36 PM
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According to records of the trial, Camp asked her why she didn't "skew her pelvis" or push her bottom into the sink to avoid penetration. He openly wondered, "Why couldn't you just keep your knees together?"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/world/...rnd/index.html
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Old 12 September 2016, 07:49 PM
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On the subject of sex in general, and sex with young women in particular, he said, "Young wom[e]n want to have sex, particularly if they're drunk."
In a different part of the trial, he said "Some sex and pain sometimes go together...that's not necessarily a bad thing."
Camp, 64, ultimately acquitted the man charged with the crime, and then told him:
"I want you to tell your friends, your male friends, that they have to be far more gentle with women. They have to be far more patient. And they have to be very careful. To protect themselves, they have to be very careful."
I'm concerned about the women in the judge's past. Exactly how many women has he raped if this is his mentality about consent?

What a horrifying person.
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Old 12 September 2016, 07:55 PM
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The good news is that he seems to be getting fired. I don't know how the process works in Canada, but he is currently trying to argue for keeping his job, but not hearing criminal cases, or something like that, after actions have been taken to remove him as a judge. I'll see if I can find a cite later.
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Old 12 September 2016, 08:04 PM
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They're just wrapping up the inquiry on this now. Apparently he's very sorry and didn't know about the history of sex assault law in Canada

It's chilling to know that there are still people in power who think this way. It's more chilling that it's taken two years to reach the point where he could be removed, and that he managed to move from provincial to federal court in that time. Even if he's learned his lesson and isn't a bad person, I'll be disgusted if this man is allowed to judge anything more than a cactus contest in the future. His lawyer says it was lack of education and ignorance rather than maliciousness. What else might he be ignorant about when he's making judgements?
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Old 12 September 2016, 08:09 PM
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Apparently he's very sorry and didn't know about the history of sex assault law in Canada
He's also not originally from Canada, but South Africa.

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Old 12 September 2016, 08:12 PM
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And the problem is, as St. Alia pointed out, not only with his being a judge, and/or not knowing specifically Canadian law (though both of those certainly make it worse.)

How many people have we still got running around loose who think it can't possibly ever be rape because all a woman has to do is keep her knees together?
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Old 12 September 2016, 08:17 PM
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Did they mention the part where he kept accidentally calling the complainant 'the accused', including in his apology a few days ago?

(to be fair, I'm sure the recent one was a slip of the tongue, but still...)
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How many people have we still got running around loose who think it can't possibly ever be rape because all a woman has to do is keep her knees together?
Well, it might still be rape, but not legitimate rape....

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Old 12 September 2016, 08:42 PM
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His lawyer says it was lack of education and ignorance rather than maliciousness.
How is this a good defense?

Don't throw him off the bench; he is not hateful toward women, just ignorant and unqualified to be a judge."

Also, as others have alluded to, this is not some obscure technical distinction between second degree and third degree something or another. He told a a rape victim she should have scooted her butt into the sink.
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Old 12 September 2016, 09:03 PM
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It is a defense against removing Camp as a judge entirely. The claim is that Camp is ignorant of Canadian criminal law, not all Canadian law. So theoretically Camp could handle civil cases just fine.
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If you're interested in following along, @markusoff (Jason Markusoff, a local Maclean's reporter) is live tweeting the hearing right now. I'll be interested to see the full article when it comes out.
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He is now resigning the bench.

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A Canadian judge who asked a woman why she couldn't keep her knees together after she alleged sexual assault in a trial said on Thursday he was resigning from the bench.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-couldnt-keep/
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From a CNN article on the subject:

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The comments came to light after the Alberta Court of Appeal overturned the acquittal. The man was found not guilty a second time, which Camp said contributed to his claim that he deserved a second chance.
It sounds like the then 19-year old defendant still got off. This insensitive judge is gone but, in a larger sense, I'm not sure how justice really was served here.

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Old 10 March 2017, 02:13 PM
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Psihala, you weren't in the courtroom; you don't know what the actual evidence was. Justice may very well have been served.

On the plus side, at least the judge didn't claim he was stepping down because he'd reached retirement age.

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Old 10 March 2017, 05:25 PM
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Absolutely ridiculous that he could be a criminal judge without actually knowing criminal law. But not uncommon apparently.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2945530/tr...-know-the-law/

There is now a case where the judge relied on an outdated part of the Criminal Code

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...olds-1.3921580
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