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Old 06 March 2011, 10:43 PM
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Soapbox Union salaries in Wisconsin

Comment: For anyone who thinks teachers are underpaid this is the official
excel DPI database of teachers wages by school district. Look up your own
district !!!
The current budget repair bill would have them paying about 5.8% towards
their own retirement.....right now, we the taxpayer, pays 100% of their
generous retirement, and most of us pay 100% of our own retirement too.


AVERAGE WAGE AND BENEFITS (remember this is for about 9 months of work)

TEACHERS:

Milwaukee $86,297
Elmbrook $91,065
Germantown $83,818
Hartland Arrwhd $90,285 (highest teacher was $122,952-lowest was
$64,942)
Men Falls $81,099
West Bend $82,153
Waukesha $92,902
Sussex $82,956
Mequon $95,297
Kettle Mor $87,676
Muskego $91,341

STAFF:
Arrowhead - Bus mgr. - Kopecky - $169,525
Arrowhead - Principal - Wieczorek - $152,519
Grmtwn - Asst Princ - Dave Towers - $123,222
Elmbrk - Burliegh Elemetary - Principal Zahn- $142,315 (for a primary
school!!)
Madison - Asst Principal - McGrath - $127,835


UNIVERSITY of WISCONSIN STAFF (2009) (salary alone):

Michael Knetter - Prof of Bus - $327,828
Carolyn Martin -Chancellor Mad- $437,000
Hector Deluca - Prof of Nutritional Science - $254,877 (really??)

(source:Madison.com

-as the UW removed salaries from being posted online in 2007- why if they
are so low?)

How about some other "public servant job" ??? What do they make?

Madison Garbage men (2009) (salary only):

Garbageman, Mr. Nelson earned $159,258 in 2009, including $109,892 in
overtime and other pay.
Garbageman, Greg Tatman, who earned $125,598
Madison garbage men made over $100,000
30 Madison garbage men made over $70,000


MILWAUKEE CITY BUS DRIVERS (salary only):

136 Drivers made more than $70,000
54 Drivers made more than $80,000
18 Drivers made more than $90,000
8 Drivers made more than $100,000
Top Driver made $117,000 (Source WTMJ)

(The average private bus driver makes $9-13 an hour (about 20,000 yr) with
no pension, or healthcare.)

AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE PAYING 100% OF THEIR GENEROUS RETIREMENT?

THEY HAVE SHUT DOWN SCHOOLS AS THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY 5.8% OF ITTHEMSELVES

...REALLY?




THAT IS SHOCKING!!!!!! HOW, OH HOW DID WE EVER ALLOW, AS TAX PAYERS,
THINGS TO GET SO OUT OF CONTROL ??!!!!!!! REMEMBER WHEN THE SCANDAL WITH
THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, AMENT, WHO HAD WRITTEN IN THE UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNTS
THAT WOULD BE GUARANTEED TO ALL COUNTY RETIREES, ESPECIALLY HIMSELF, WHEN
THEY RETIRED. WHEN IT WAS UNCOVERED MANY COUNTY EMPLOYEES TOOK AN EARLY
RETIREMENT RATHER THAN RISK LOSING THAT MONEY......I KNOW BECAUSE THESE
EARLY RETIREES WERE SHARING THIS INFORMATION WITH ME WHILE THEY WERE
SPENDING 10'S OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON NEW FURNITURE BECAUSE, AT THE
YOUNG AGE OF 50, THEY WERE RETIRED FROM THE COUNTY WITH HUGE AMOUNTS OF
MONEY AND...LAUGHING ABOUT IT !!!!!

THAT'S WHEN THE CAN OF WORMS SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPENED TO TAKE A LOOK AT
CITY, STATE, FEDERAL INCLUDING THE TEACHERS, POLICE, FIREMEN, GARBAGE MEN
ETC... ETC... ETC... SHAME ON "US"

YOU AND I SHOULD HAVE STARTED TO ORGANIZE THE TAXPAYERS AND LOBBYED TO
MAKE THE REST OF US AWARE........SHAME ON YOU...SHAME ON ME. WE'LL HAVE TO
SETTLE FOR SUPPORTING AND CHEERING GOVERNOR WALKER ON !!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB RIGHT NOW BY SENDING THE WAGE INFO OUT TO AS
MANY AS YOU KNOW AND I WILL DO THE SAME...HOPEFULLY EACH ONE WILL SEND
TO MANY OTHERS AND THOSE TO OTHERS AND SO ON AND SO ON..THANX FOR THE EYE
OPENER !!!
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Old 06 March 2011, 10:57 PM
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Uhm, no teacher I have met works only 9 months, and certainly during the school year, they're not working 8 hour days/40 hour weeks.

And it seems as if this author believes that civil servants don't pay taxes.

Further, one of the concessions the teachers union made early on was to pay a greater share of their retirement and health care costs. What they do not want is to have their collective bargaining rights taken away.
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Old 06 March 2011, 11:03 PM
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The writer seems a bit hazy on the distinction between faculty and staff. Further, U of W Madison faculty are not unionized.
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Old 06 March 2011, 11:10 PM
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(The average private bus driver makes $9-13 an hour (about 20,000 yr) with no pension, or healthcare.)
"Some people are treated badly. Let's make sure that even more people are treated badly for equality's sake."
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Old 06 March 2011, 11:12 PM
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I don't know much about teaching, but the article mentions bus drivers and garbage men as well.

From what I remember, bus drivers can make extra by driving for special events - athletic, band and other events associated with school, and any events the city may choose to lease the buses out to. For instance, in this town, one of the special events is a kite festival. School buses are used to move people from the outlying parking areas to the festival grounds and back again.

So, yea, some of the drivers can make good money, but that would be because they are working lots of OT.

As for the garbage men, well, of someone works enough to earn $100k in overtime, then, why not? Unless the driver is working enough for exhaustion to be an issue, who is to complain about overtime, especially if it is voluntary. It's usually cheaper to pay existing staff OT than it is to hire extra staff.

In my experience "garbage men" usually have commercial driver's licenses, and can drive a wide variety of big trucks. During big weather events, a good bit of the snowplow and dump truck drivers are probably sanitation workers, making OT. More so than many other lines of work, if they want to work a lot of OT, they can make good money, even if the base pay is not so great.
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Old 06 March 2011, 11:17 PM
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Uhm, no teacher I have met works only 9 months, and certainly during the school year, they're not working 8 hour days/40 hour weeks.

And it seems as if this author believes that civil servants don't pay taxes.

Further, one of the concessions the teachers union made early on was to pay a greater share of their retirement and health care costs. What they do not want is to have their collective bargaining rights taken away.
I also wonder if the OP considers education to be a factor as well since I bet that state employees that are unionized are better educated and experienced then non-nionized private sector education jobs are.

And yes, WI teachers and union members also made the concessions that you mentioned so that they would not loose collective bargaining. Something that has zero effect on budgets (getting off topic here). Frankly I think that public school teachers are not paid enough given the amount of effort that they put in and how little they are compensated for things like supplies.
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Also, the numbers for the teachers are deceptive if you aren't paying attention. They are "AVERAGE WAGE AND BENEFITS." (My bolding). So they are adding salary and benefits. I remember hearing somewhere recently (the Daily Show, maybe) that the average teacher salary in Wisconsin was something like $56k. Other professionals making similar amounts of money probably also have decent benefits, but people aren't familiar with how much that adds up to. So someone who is, say, a health care worker making $50k per year who also has employer matching 401k contributions and has health insurance may look at this and be outraged that the teachers are making almost twice as much as them. But in reality, they are making pretty similar amounts. (And I suspect that the numbers quoted are the total expenses of employing them, not just "benefits" so it would include things like paying into UI, workers' comp., and federal payroll taxes--but I don't know that for sure).

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When I used to work for the state, they sent us a letter annually telling us what our wages and benefits added up to. As I recall, benefits added quite a lot to my very meager salary...
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The Koch Brothers need to ease off the caps lock....
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Old 06 March 2011, 11:47 PM
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Michael Knetter - Prof of Bus - $327,828
Not just a "Prof[essor] of Bus[iness]," but the dean of the UW School of Business in 2009.

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Hector Deluca - Prof of Nutritional Science - $254,877 (really??)
Likewise, he was (is?) the chair of the biochemistry department.
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That makes them twelve-month employees (bumping up their regular salary by 33% right there) and also includes any administrative stipends. But it still doesn't make them members of a union.
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And what did the football coach make?
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Uhm, no teacher I have met works only 9 months, and certainly during the school year, they're not working 8 hour days/40 hour weeks.

And it seems as if this author believes that civil servants don't pay taxes.

Further, one of the concessions the teachers union made early on was to pay a greater share of their retirement and health care costs. What they do not want is to have their collective bargaining rights taken away.
I don't know how it works there, but we contribute a hell of a lot to our pension plan. If I wasn't contributing to it my take-home pay would probably be twice as high. Seriously.

I'm not currently putting in money for my pension, I'm paying for the teachers who are retired now. And hopefully there will be people down the road to pay me what I'm owed.

And no, no 40 hour weeks for me.
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Yet when teachers and garbage collectors go on stirke, the people howl with outrage.

You never see someone complain about a Professional Athlete getting paid $12 Million for a season of playing a kids game do you?
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You never see someone complain about a Professional Athlete getting paid $12 Million for a season of playing a kids game do you?
Actually, I often hear people complain about the "outrageous" amounts of money athletes and big-name actors make.
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You never see someone complain about a Professional Athlete getting paid $12 Million for a season of playing a kids game do you?
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Actually, I often hear people complain about the "outrageous" amounts of money athletes and big-name actors make.
When they start getting paid from the public purse, I will become outraged. While they are getting their money from private enterprise, I congratulate them on their negotiating skills.
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Uhm, no teacher I have met works only 9 months, and certainly during the school year, they're not working 8 hour days/40 hour weeks.
And not to disparage bus drivers and sanitation workers, but teaching positions require a hell of a lot more education and certification.
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3 months ago, weren't these same people telling us that a $250K/year salary didn't make one wealthy and that in certain communities that was barely enough to be considered middle class?
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When I used to work for the state, they sent us a letter annually telling us what our wages and benefits added up to. As I recall, benefits added quite a lot to my very meager salary...
Little hijack

I wish my employer would do this. I'd really like to know what my real value is.
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When they start getting paid from the public purse, I will become outraged. While they are getting their money from private enterprise, I congratulate them on their negotiating skills.
Right, because people who work for the government don't deserve to get paid adequately for what they do.
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