Anne McCaffrey on anal sex

[llewtrah]

Originally Posted by E. Q. Taft

(So would the quote imply that hetero couples ought not to experiment with the woman using a strap-on to do her guy from behind? Sounds as though it would make the guy lose interest in her later....)

Try telling that to the hundreds of male submissives who go crawling back to Mistress Strap-On They don't seem to be losing interest (admittedly some may be somewhat more interested in being penetrated by a woman than in penetrating a woman, but they still want it to be a woman, not another man).

[Tarquin Farquart]

If anal sex makes you gay, I dread to think what oral sex does to you...

[inkrose115]

Originally Posted by Tarquin Farquart

If anal sex makes you gay, I dread to think what oral sex does to you...

It gives you an unshakable desire for foods like Bananas, Vanilla Yogurt, Cucumbers. and Salami.

[Eddylizard]

Originally Posted by inkrose115

It gives you an unshakable desire for foods like Bananas, Vanilla Yogurt, Cucumbers. and Salami.

Or tuna salads and roast beef sandwiches.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Malruhn

Lady, I may like your books, but your opinion on this kills puppies, curves spines, ruins credit ratings, and makes the baby Jesus cry.

Well, do we know that she actually said this?

Originally Posted by llewtrah

he's the one who said I was a disgrace to women and probably a repressed lesbian because I didn't want children

I always notice how repressed you are

Victoria J

[Tarquin Farquart]

Originally Posted by inkrose115

It gives you an unshakable desire for foods like Bananas, Vanilla Yogurt, Cucumbers. and Salami.

*throws away cucumber yogurt*

[llewtrah]

Originally Posted by Tarquin Farquart

If anal sex makes you gay, I dread to think what oral sex does to you...

I like to think my oral fixation is due to early weaning or not being breast-fed or something suitably Freudian

[Tarquin Farquart]

Originally Posted by llewtrah

I had a similar argument with a very homophobic colleague (thankfully an ex-colleague - he's the one who said I was a disgrace to women and probably a repressed lesbian because I didn't want children). I went and looked up some figures and found that oral was way more common than anal among gay guys. The same stupid NFBSKing colleague preached that AIDS got into the hetero community because of straight guys having anal sex because it was "trendy" to go (temporarily) gay

I've just noticed this: how many children did he have?

[llewtrah]

Originally Posted by Tarquin Farquart

I've just noticed this: how many children did he have?

IIRC, he'd just married wife #3 and she'd had their first child. Meanwhile, he was talking about skipping this country or becoming unemployed to avoid paying child maintenance on the children from his first 2 marriages (i.e. so the CSA didn't take child maintenance straight from his wages). He also boasted that several children nearby bore a strong resemblance to him - these being children of women he'd carried on with between marriages (and sometimes on the side during marriages) ... though if the mothers had ordered DNA tests, I doubt he'd have boasted quite so much, instead he would have redoubled his efforts to avoid paying upkeep on any of his children.

He had serial marriages, multiple offspring (but no intention of financially supporting them) and his approach was to sow his oats as far and wide as he possibly could (preferably to be brought up by other men). He also threatened violence against various colleagues at various times. Nasty piece of work.

[Tarquin Farquart]

Originally Posted by llewtrah

Nasty piece of work.

You're not wrong...

I might have said something like "You know what they say about men who have lots of children with different women. They've got something to hide..."

I seriously doubt the validity of interview in the OP. Anne McCaffrey is supposedly an intelligent person-she created a whole fantasy universe complete with it's own logic and rules. The statements are clearly unintelligent and I can find no other references to them anywhere on the Net. Also the matter of fact approach to gay sex in the books doesn't reflect the attitude of the interview. Given that the Pern series has such a large following I would think that any interviews she has given would be hashed and rehashed on fan sites.

BTW the forum mentioned which is the only place containing any reference to the 'quote' appears to have been abandoned. Page after page in every section of it have become a repository for porn links.

I think the 'quote' is some hocum cooked up by a member of that forum who was after some attention for some unhealthy reason. Maybe it was an attempt to steer a discussion around to anal sex (as a way of getting a cheap thrill) or create an argument/flame war. It might even have been attempt to make him/herself seem more important and in the know on a 'top secret' interview.

PS I know plenty of fellas who enjoy a bit of anal play and are not gay. I also know a few gay men who do not like anal play at all. The whole quote is flawed logic based on an ignorant belief that once a man has tried anal sex he becomes hooked on it and can no longer enjoy sex with a girl.

It reflects a dark fear some women have and may be how people explain away men who come out after years of marriage- or the sudden 'I think I'm gay' revelation. Because of course no one would ever be gay unless some horrible event or pre-verted experience caused it It couldn't possibley be the way the were born because the DOYC would never allow it.

The quoted scenario to me seems more like something made up by teenagers to scare each other than an interview with an esteemed author.

[Silas Sparkhammer]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean Queen

I seriously doubt the validity of interview in the OP. Anne McCaffrey is supposedly an intelligent person-she created a whole fantasy universe complete with it's own logic and rules. The statements are clearly unintelligent. . .

I will only cavil to the effect that writing good fiction -- even highly intelligent fiction -- and holding stupid personal beliefs are not (alas) incompatible.

Silas

Originally Posted by Silas Sparkhammer

I will only cavil to the effect that writing good fiction -- even highly intelligent fiction -- and holding stupid personal beliefs are not (alas) incompatible.

Silas

And if anyone wants a cite just look at Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Saying that though i still don't see any weight of evidence that she actually did say it.

[Richard W]

Tch - if you Google "Anne McCaffrey 'Tent Peg'", this thread is the third hit... there's a limit to what you can do with Google alone...

(eta) I've not found anybody who seems to know when and to whom this interview was given. The wording is consistent, though - does that imply that the quote (first) appeared online?

Originally Posted by snopes

"It's a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay."

So..... because someone has knowledge of an anal encounter that predated the person coming out, it seems to prove that:
1. The anal encounter *caused* the change of sexual orientation; and
2. Because it worked this way for this one person, it is a proven cause-and-effect relationship?

Sorry, regardless of who said it, I'm not buying it. It's just a load of hogwash.

[llewtrah]

Originally Posted by Tarquin Farquart

You're not wrong...

I might have said something like "You know what they say about men who have lots of children with different women. They've got something to hide..."

Which is when we discovered he was happy to threaten to hit colleagues. Unfortunately not in front of witnesses or, if challenged, made it seem like some sort of joke where the target of the threat was the only one who didn't get he joke. I repeat - really nasty piece of work.

[Troberg]

I seriously doubt the validity of interview in the OP. Anne McCaffrey is supposedly an intelligent person-she created a whole fantasy universe complete with it's own logic and rules. The statements are clearly unintelligent and I can find no other references to them anywhere on the Net.

I've seen it discussed elsewhere, but can't find it now. As I understood it, the interviewer put some pressure on her, and she blurted out a somewhat confused panic response. Still, people tend to blurt what they think...

[barbrainey]

Who was Anne's interviewer? Did the interview take place on television? If neither the program nor its airing date can be named then no doubt this is a UL.

This reminds me of the Procter and Gamble rumor of the 1980s. The president of the company was rumored to have appeared on the Phil Donohue Show saying that he supported the Church of Satan with his company's earnings. Of course, Phil denied that anyone from P&G ever appeared on his show, much less that he supported the Church of Satan. The rumor-mongers later stated that it was some other TV talk show; however, neither the show or it date was ever learned.

That is the nature of ULs.

B. A. Rainey

[BrokenBiscuit]

I know that this doesn't make it any truer, but I've read this before. On first reading this thread I was sure that it's been an much repeated "fact" in fannish circles for years, but google says no. I don't know what to believe anymore. Maybe I have false memories.