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Old 04 August 2015, 09:00 AM
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Yow! Windows 10 logs your keystrokes (and you can't turn it off)



http://i.imgur.com/kNw1k3a.png

And it's available as an update for Windows 7 & 8, just in case you want to be tracked by Microsoft without buying a new computer!
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708

I wonder when the first of us will disappear after committing Thoughtcrime?
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:11 AM
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Default Untwist your panties -- Windows 10's 'keylogger' is nothing to worry about

https://www.google.co.jp/url?q=http:...3vNCbm455PavVA

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The big news is that Windows 10 includes a keylogger so that Microsoft can spy on your every action, tracking your every keystroke as you enter usernames, passwords, and bank details. Well, that's not strictly true... despite what some sites would have you believe. So, what then? Windows 10 doesn't include a keylogger? It's not quite that simple.
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:15 AM
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I have to wonder how people think things like autocomplete work. Magic?
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:25 AM
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Your article is from 10 months ago and refers to the Technical Preview, which is not what's being released now.
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:41 AM
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Yes, I know. But the much of what it says is still pertinent.
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:47 AM
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Default Windows 10: You've got questions, I've got answers

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows...e-got-answers/
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Does Windows 10 really include a keylogger?

Short answer: No. Longer answer here.
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:50 AM
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From the same author, posted four days ago:

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The real price of Windows 10 is your privacy

Windows 10 is a free upgrade, right? Well, surely you know by now that there's no such thing as a free lunch. We're only 48 hours on from the launch of Windows 10 and already the complaining and criticism is underway. One thing that has been brought under the spotlight is privacy under the latest version of Microsoft's operating system.
http://betanews.com/2015/07/31/the-r...-your-privacy/
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:52 AM
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So basically, the version available now still has this feature, but you can turn it off?

ETA: Looking at Psihala's article, I guess not.
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Old 05 August 2015, 12:55 AM
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Yes, and please note he doesn't mention any keylogging. Also, he explicitly mentions how to turn off features that might even resemble keylogging.
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Old 05 August 2015, 01:00 AM
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I wasn't making a statement. I was providing a more up to date link that was NOT talking about the Technical Preview.

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Old 05 August 2015, 01:02 AM
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Yes, I thought so. Thank you! (I meant more "to whom it may concern, please note...".)
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Old 05 August 2015, 01:05 AM
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True, but I don't know if I'm comfortable with this update. It sounds like it's closely linked with a lot of personal information. OTOH, when I get a new computer chances are it will have Windows 10 on it, so I might just be delaying the inevitable. Still, I think I'll wait until they have discovered the first batch of security holes. I have a year to decide whether I want to install it or not.

Thanks for the updated information, though.
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Old 05 August 2015, 02:21 AM
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Google has been doing this kind of integration of all you information across devices for several years. I'm not sure exactly what of my privacy I'm supposed to be concerned about. It makes my life much much easier. I don't think Windows or Google are going to use the data it gathers for anything nefarious. they want to sell you things, not rob you.
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Old 05 August 2015, 04:26 AM
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I think I'm going to start using Microsoft's Cloud services to store furry porn just to mess with them.
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Old 05 August 2015, 07:18 AM
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Tinfoil hat mode:

I wonder what happens to punish those of us who dare try to turn it off? Of course Microsoft will immediately revert it back to on, but then what will they do to teach us peasants our place? Will we find our bandwidth mysteriously shrunk to almost nothing? Be automatically tagged by the NSA as a possible terrorist?

How about if we write something critical of Microsoft? Will we suddenly find every embarrassing and unflattering photo we've ever taken and word we've ever written on our boss' desktop the next day?

What if we try to visit a site that Microsoft doesn't approve of? Will they block access to thoughtcrime?



Of course I don't really believe any of that will happen. Then again, hyper-vigilance when dealing with a corporation is never a bad idea.
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Old 05 August 2015, 09:24 PM
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I'm sure it's already on there. Along with many other porn things that Simply Should Not be.
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Old 15 September 2015, 03:25 AM
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Default No, Microsoft is not spying on you with Windows 10

There is apparently a growing and very vocal population of people who believe that Windows 10 is basically a 1984 telescreen come to life. They are convinced that with Windows 10 Microsoft has built a spying apparatus not seen since the height of the Cold War, scraping up every detail of your life and feeding it back to Redmond for who knows what nefarious purposes.

They're going to need lots of tinfoil.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-micr...th-windows-10/
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Old 15 September 2015, 07:49 AM
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Well, they don't log everything, that's for sure, but there are many issues with Windows 10 that are invasive, for example:

* They have some kind of child monitoring thingy which is on by default. A friend of mine got very surprised when he had installed Windows 10 on his kids computer and a few days later got a report in the mail, detailing such things as when the kid had used the computer, which programs had been used, which sites had been visited and so on. This wasn't something he had activiated, somehow MS had worked out that he was the parent from the log in which is connected to some social platform. So very much not OK.

* The use some kind of swarming protocol, kind of like bittorrent, to distribute updates. This means that they use your bandwidth to deliver their updates to other users. What makes it worse, the people who cares the most about updates are organizations, and they will block that function, so they will not take their part of the load.

* If you run an earlier Windows, it downloads the Windows 10 update to your hard disk, just in case you'd want to install it. This uses a lot of disk space and bandwidth. I suspect the real reason is to provide more sources for the swarming protocol, as a described above.

* Among the leaks released by Wikileaks was that all the major operating system vendors has been approached by the NSA and more or less been ordered to install a back door. This is also confirmed by Linux, who was also approached and went public instead (and telling them that not only is it impossible to hide something in open source, they still wouldn't do it anyway). Neither MS nor Apple has commented on it, which makes it likely that they caved in to the pressure.

* It has a feature (which is on by default) which shares your wifi password with everybody who is your friend on social media. This is supposed to make it easier for your friends to connect to your wifi when they visit. However, it also means that your wifi password is stored somewhere else, outside your control. It also means that a lot of people who you may have as Facebook friends but not really want on your network have it. Your ex? Your neighbor? Some friend of a friend who plays Farmville?
It also messes up any organized strategy for safe friend access. I have a private network with a password only known to me, which goes to my internal network and servers. Guests connect to another network, which only connects to the internet. Which password will MS share?
We also have the entire issue with BOYD. Will they share your work wifi password as well?

* Unique ad ID. You get a unique ID on installation which is then shown to web sites, allowing them to use personalized ads. However, it also allows you to be tracked across sites, so it is possible to see that it's the same person on Facebook or GMail as on f*cked.raw.in.the.pig.sty.com. This is a huge integrity problem.

* They have a feature which allows them to stop certain programs from running if they don't like them, and even remove them. Cloaked under the disguise as anti-piracy, it is bound to harm legitimate use as well (such as using a cracked version of a game to make it work because they've effed up so the originals no longer work). Also, it would be trivial for them to say "We don't like LibreOffice and OpenOffice, they compete with MS Office. Let's block them.".

* They seem to have removed the option of "Don't install updates", only providing "Download and install" and "Download and install later". This is a huge risk, as it allows them to, at will, replace just about Everything in the operating system or on your disk.

* It has tools to redirect "unsuitable" internet sites to other sites. It would, for example, be perfectly possible to use this to block, say, Wikileaks, and redirect to, say, NSA.

Now, all these integrity issues has slowed down adaption of Windows 10, so in a recent press release, MS said that they are going to put these "features" in Windows 7 and 8 as well. Let that sink in. Basically, they say "OK, you won't get Windows 10, because you don't like what we do with it. Well, ha ha, we are going to do the Windows you run as well, so it will be as bad as Windows 10, so you won't have any reason to update!". That stunt is insulting enough to make sure I never update (and leave automatic updates in Windows 7 off...).

Then, of course, there are several other problems, especially for gamers:

* They have removed support for some copy protection mechanism, which means that hundreds of old games no longer works. I'm not talking archeologically old, just a few years.

* Performance. While Windows 10 on an average gives about the same frame rate as Windows 7, it's not smooth. It has a slightly higher framerate, but then it stutters and freezes for a short moment, making it next to unusable in gaming (especially competitive gaming).

So, no Windows 10 for me. Either they fix their shit, or I switch the rest of my computers to Linux once Windows 7 becomes to old to use.
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Old 16 September 2015, 09:55 AM
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Troberg, that is the most terrifying thing I've read in a long time. I'm certainly turning updates off permanently on my win 7, and never upgrading either. While not a telescreen this is just as bad.

Anyone have any idea how to turn off the swarming protocol in win 7? I'm not getting anything in my searches.
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Old 16 September 2015, 07:15 PM
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This list is not entirely accurate as presented.

Windows 10 will load installation files if you have automatic update enabled. You can unload them and disable automatic updates, which probably is a good idea anyway.

The p2p protocol for upgrades is not in the current release. It looks like it, like most aspects of Windows, will be an optional feature. I don't see it being part of the dormant installation files currently downloaded with automatic updates either.

The 'truth' to most of those bullet points is similarly more nuanced then the single bullet point would appear to make it. The key takeaway should be not to install any software, including the OS without understanding what features are available and custom configuring the software to meet your needs.
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