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Old 24 October 2015, 01:29 AM
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Pig Bacon, ham and sausages 'as big a cancer threat as smoking', WHO to warn

Global health experts are to warn that bacon, ham and sausages are as big a cancer threat as cigarettes, it has been reported. "The WCRF advises that people can reduce their bowel cancer risk by eating no more than 500g (cooked weight) per week of red meat, such as beef, pork and lamb" The World Health Organisation (WHO) will publish a report on Monday on the dangers of eating processed meats. It is expected to list processed meat as a cancer-causing substance, while fresh red meat is also expected to be regarded as bad for health, the Daily Mail said.

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Old 24 October 2015, 03:18 AM
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Well, here's to a shorter, but tastier, life.
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Old 26 October 2015, 02:17 PM
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I suspect rockland's reaction is going to be very common. My reaction (other than that living long enough causes cancer) was "oh, of course, the oldest known methods of meat preservation cause cancer." Yes, I know that really, they do, but trying to scare us now over something that's been going on for more than a thousand years is yawn worthy, IMO.

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Old 26 October 2015, 04:42 PM
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Studies also show that people who eat a lot of red meat tend to eat fewer plant-based foods that protect against cancer.
In other words, it may be the overall diet that's the problem; not just that it includes meat. (It's not clear to me whether they tried to control for that factor.)

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Dr. David Agus, one of the world's leading cancer specialists and a CBS News medical contributor, told "CBS This Morning" Monday that processed meats can "slightly increase your risks," predominantly for colon cancer.

"To put this in perspective, the lifetime risk of colon cancer is 5 percent," Agus said. "If you have a hot dog every day, your risk goes to 6 percent."
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Old 26 October 2015, 04:57 PM
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I know I saw another study somewhere that suggested that red meat itself isn't that bad for you -- it's just that people who eat a lot of red meat also tend to eat a lot of processed meat. If you only ate steak and roast beef, not so bad -- it's the bacon, sausage, lunch meat, etc. that is particularly harmful.

(I really ought to eat more vegetables, but...they're just inconvenient when you don't cook much.)
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Old 26 October 2015, 06:58 PM
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I really ought to eat more vegetables, but...they're just inconvenient when you don't cook much.
Change this to "they're inconvenient when you don't like them" and it's me.

I know I don't eat enough vegetables (especially the greens). I know I don't eat enough fruit. Telling me I should be eating more of each just isn't going to change my reality, which is that I don't like a lot of fruits and a lot more vegetables.

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Old 26 October 2015, 07:49 PM
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(I really ought to eat more vegetables, but...they're just inconvenient when you don't cook much.)
I am mildly puzzled by this. Many vegetables can be eaten raw, while meat and grains generally aren't; many vegetables are faster to cook than most meat or grains are; and, if you like to buy your food already prepared, vegetables are usually available that way also nowadays.

But then, I'm equally puzzled by the vegetarians I know who do cook but who have said to me that they think meat is too hard to cook.

It's possible that what it comes down to is that it always seems faster and easier to make for dinner what one's already in the habit of making for dinner. I certainly fall victim to that one a lot.
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Old 26 October 2015, 09:00 PM
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I started to really enjoy cooking after getting out of college, and by this point consider myself a pretty good cook. I have also always been a big meat fan, and not much of a fan of vegetables. I now know that this is at least partially due to my family's complete inability to cook a vegetable that made it taste OK. You basically got things that were either cooked down to a mush or drowned in ranch dip or cheese sauce. I have since learned techniques that have greatly increased how many vegetables I eat, and they are much different than techniques for meat. At least, I've never heard of anyone blanching a steak. If you don't truly know about blanching (and this is just one example) and you just try varying the boiling time, you will never get good results.
So, not necessarily that the vegetables would take longer to cook, but that not being truly comfortable with the methods of cooking vegetables means they don't come out right. That may not be what E.Q. Taft meant, but that is what it brought to mind for me. (My reading of E.Q. was that if you don't cook much, you don't get as much of an opportunity for veggies - it is easier to get meat and starch prepared than to get good veggies.)
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Old 26 October 2015, 10:07 PM
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One thing that's helped me in the veggie department has been Trader Joe's line of frozen veggies. Very good selection of pre-cooked vegetables, I've just got to microwave them.
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I've seen this reported in a few different ways, and some of it seems irresponsible, including a much-quoted bit about meat being as bad for you as smoking.

It obviously isn't.

In terms of food, so much conflicting advice has come down the pike in my life that I have just tried to be sensible: all things in moderation, try to get fresh veggies and fruit every day, and in general, eat what seems right.

I eat what I want. I'm healthy and of normal weight and at my last health screening was told to just do what I've been doing. And if the kielbasa I had with dinner just now kills me, well, I've got some bad luck, I guess.
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Old 26 October 2015, 10:49 PM
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When I say "I don't cook" I mean that I take most of my meals out, and when I eat at home, it's usually sandwiches or cereal; I don't even heat or microwave. I don't have an aversion to cooking, but I do have an aversion to sharing a kitchen with umpteen roommates that I don't know well.

Fresh vegetables and fruits therefore have a habit of going bad before I get around to them, and frozen or canned just don't get used.

I do eat at an all-you-can-eat soup-and-salad place an average of once a week, but my idea of a salad is pretty minimalist (lettuce, dressing, croutons ...maybe a few carrot or radish bits if I'm feeling adventurous) so that only helps a little.

I sometimes wonder that my physical health is as good as it is, really.
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Old 27 October 2015, 02:14 AM
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My cousin is a dietitian. Her recommendation, which I thought was really good and balanced and worth sharing, in response to this is:

Eat your favourite processed meat (bacon, ham, sausages, etc) as a treat once or twice a month. You don't have to cut it out entirely.

Eat red meat like steak and pork 2 or 3 times a week maximum (less is also fine) and stick with non-meat meals or white meat (fish or chicken) the rest of the week. But keep the focus of your diet on a variety veges and fruit - as much as you want, really, plus moderate amounts of wholegrains. Lentils and chickpeas can help balance out the 'bad' effects of red meat on the digestive system.

She loves baking cakes too - she's a believer in the 80/20 equation. She would never 'quit' sugar. Just make sure the 80 = the 'good' stuff
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[...] seems irresponsible, including a much-quoted bit about meat being as bad for you as smoking.

It obviously isn't.
But what is obvious is often incorrect in science and health. The question is whether it's supported by the evidence. It used to be obvious that smoking was no big problem because nearly everyone did it and not everyone got lung cancer. (Although in this case it does seem there was a lot lost in translation from English to Clickbait.)
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Old 27 October 2015, 03:34 AM
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Lifetime risk for getting Colon cancer is about 5%
Lifetime risk for getting Lung cancer is about 7%

Lifetime risk of getting Colon cancer if one eats ham everyday, about 6%
Lifetime risk of getting Lunch cancer if one smokes, about 17%
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Old 27 October 2015, 03:54 AM
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Lunch cancer! That's what I'm getting. Blasted food trucks.
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I would have thought one gets Lunch cancer from smoked foods...
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Old 27 October 2015, 04:09 AM
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I've missed the edit window, so I suppose lunch cancer it is. Though I did mean lung cancer.
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Old 27 October 2015, 07:50 AM
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I've seen this reported in a few different ways, and some of it seems irresponsible, including a much-quoted bit about meat being as bad for you as smoking.
Every single report of this here today has said this. I mean every single news and morning show has said this. First they say "Coming up next Processed meat is as bad for you as smoking" Then they story comes up and they say "Processed meat and even meat is in the same category as smoking" Then they say "Smoking is much worse then processed meat for you and in moderation processed meat is ok and red meat offers valuable nutients" I mean really . Irresponsible reporting IMHO.

This is why many people ignore this advice. Because the way it reported confuses them. And then they distrust it.

Three of my Grandparents died of bowl cancer so this was of great interest to me. But I won't change the two rashers of bacon I buy about every two months to use in mexican food and hamburgers etc. 500g week is a lot. That is half a kilo.

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Old 27 October 2015, 07:58 AM
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As for eating more veges I try, I mean I really try but I just don't like veges. Even at quite a young age I knew I should eat more and it bothered me and I tried all sorts of way. Steamed, stirfried, fresh from your own garden but for most of them eating them is a chore.

As I said three of my grandparents died of bowl cancer. My Dad's Dad ate terribly (and grandma was a great cook) he drank, if smoked and he never exercised. My Mum's parents ate well, they neither drank or smoked and got a good amount of exercise. All three died of bowl cancer. So as I say you have to enjoy your life. Of course it is better to die in your 80's then in your 60's or earlier but in the end you have to die of something.
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Old 27 October 2015, 09:23 AM
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Thorny locust's second linked article points out the OP headline is incorrect:
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While the WHO report classifies processed meats as "carcinogenic to humans" - the same category as tobacco smoking and asbestos - it points out this does not mean such foods are as hazardous as cigarettes.
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