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Old 20 April 2014, 01:41 AM
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I know a lot of lamb is excess males, but what happens to all the mutton that there must be from wool sheep. I don't think I ever see mutton in grocery stores (not that I really look). Is it all used for pet food?
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:10 AM
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It might be exported, too. There's more of a market for it in other countries, after all.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:13 AM
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It might be exported, too. There's more of a market for it in other countries, after all.
True, but there are quite a few countries with an excess of mutton, like the Falklands, Austalia, NZ, and probably several others I am not aware of.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:22 AM
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I had no idea that lamb was considered rare or "ethnic" in the US. Here it is like our national dish. But Australia "Grew up on the sheeps back" I assume it is about the same price as other meats and the the selection in the supermarkets is the same but I don't really know as I don't like it myself.

I am on a budjet myself but I tend to only buy the meat need/ buy it in bulk or when it is marked down and freeze or buy cheap cuts if they are suitalble. The exception is chicken, cause I only like boned breasts but there I tend to cut down on the chicken and add more vegies. For example I have cut up a large breast and have half marinating for a stir fry and half marinating for butter chicken. I will up the veges for the stirfry and add a vegie dish for the butter chicken. It was a large breast though.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:27 AM
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I know a lot of lamb is excess males, but what happens to all the mutton that there must be from wool sheep. I don't think I ever see mutton in grocery stores (not that I really look). Is it all used for pet food?

I know of one specialist butcher who deals in mutton for human consumption in my part of Quebec but I don't think I have ever seen any in Montreal or any of the larger towns round here.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:35 AM
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America has become pretty limited in the variety of meats offered at the typical chain grocers. I've even seen a change just in the last 10 years or so. Most stores offer chicken, turkey, beef or pork. The only organ meat offered is liver, and even that is harder to find fresh. Around Christmas time you'll see duck, goose, pheasant, and at Easter you'll see lamb. Last summer when the fair lambs were being sold, I heard the meat manager at my Kroger store grumbling about having to put this fresh, grass fed lamb out in the meat coolers because nobody would buy it. And I haven't seen mutton sold in a grocery store in 40 years. I don't even see it listed as an ingredient in pet food.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:42 AM
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Lamb is typically on offer all the time here but there is much less choice in terms of cut or whatever than you would be likely to find with meats such as beef or pork. Once in awhile you'll also see rabbit (which looks incredibly pathetic all stretched out in the chiller). Otherwise though you'd need to go to a butcher or a specialty store if you wanted much else that we've tended to consider "exotic" like goat or emu for example.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:47 AM
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I must admit I have never seen mutton in the chain stores and turkey only usually appears at Christmas, or at least whole turkeys do. but it something I don't eat so I don't go looking for it. organ meats are usually liver.

I have a butcher down the road from me has a larger range and I should go there more often as their meat is excellent (especially their ham) but for the small amount I eat the supermarket is more convenant.

But to be honest I think our range has improved abit. You can buy a larger range of mince then just beef or example.
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Old 20 April 2014, 03:47 AM
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America has become pretty limited in the variety of meats offered at the typical chain grocers. I've even seen a change just in the last 10 years or so. Most stores offer chicken, turkey, beef or pork. The only organ meat offered is liver, and even that is harder to find fresh.
I usually see at the Kroger grocery buffalo, quail, heart, chitterlings, and squab, and I know a Kroger where one can always get goat and chicken feet.
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Old 20 April 2014, 04:48 AM
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Yeah, I thought the great cheese debate showed that speaking about what's available in supermarkets in "America" is something where one should tread very lightly. The supermarkets around here have a much wider variety than apparently what's in the Columbus area, and that includes a chain that is a subsidiary of Kroger.
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Old 20 April 2014, 05:12 AM
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I know a lot of lamb is excess males, but what happens to all the mutton that there must be from wool sheep. I don't think I ever see mutton in grocery stores (not that I really look). Is it all used for pet food?
Sheep bred for wool are different than sheep bred for meat. They don't provide a lot of meat, and it's not exactly desirable to consume. Also, the lifespan of a wool sheep can be up to 10 years, and basically no one is going to want to eat a ten year old sheep. It's not like chickens where they stop producing at a certain point. The yearling fleece is the most desirable, but you can have a ten year old Merino sheep that's still providing perfectly good fleeces.

There are some breeds, like Shetlands, that give good meat and good fleece, but most modern breeds are bred for one or the other.
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Old 20 April 2014, 06:44 AM
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Like Dasla, I'm surprised that lamb is considered special in any way overseas. Down Under, it's pretty ubiquitous at barbies and supermarkets everywhere, and I don't think it's any more expensive than other types of meat. Personally, I'm not a fan of lamb chops, cutlets, or shanks, (too much work for too little gain), but I'd give up a date with Tom Cruise for a lamb roast.

Also the Easter association, never heard of that. Maybe rabbit would be more appropriate unless it's some "Lamb of God, lets eat him" thing. Oddly enough, due to the power of advertising, us Aussies associate lamb with a different public holiday.

Behold our lambassador. They're totally non-pc but very funny.
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Old 20 April 2014, 08:43 AM
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Like Dasla, I'm surprised that lamb is considered special in any way overseas. Down Under, it's pretty ubiquitous at barbies and supermarkets everywhere, and I don't think it's any more expensive than other types of meat. Personally, I'm not a fan of lamb chops, cutlets, or shanks, (too much work for too little gain), but I'd give up a date with Tom Cruise for a lamb roast.
These days who wouldn't, even if you didn't like lamb I was thinking of that ad with this thread. I feel the same as you about chops etc.

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Also the Easter association, never heard of that. Maybe rabbit would be more appropriate unless it's some "Lamb of God, lets eat him" thing. Oddly enough, due to the power of advertising, us Aussies associate lamb with a different public holiday.

Behold our lambassador. They're totally non-pc but very funny.
I think it is a spring thing. Here of course easter is in Autumn and lamb is available all year.

And those ads are funny...and satire.
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Old 20 April 2014, 01:05 PM
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I usually see at the Kroger grocery buffalo, quail, heart, chitterlings, and squab, and I know a Kroger where one can always get goat and chicken feet.
I used to see that at some Wal-Marts, but it was sold in areas with high populations of Somalia and Latino immigrants, and even that has been cut back. If I want to get anything like that (I give chicken feet to my dog as a natural toothbrush) I have to go to Asian grocery stores, where they still have a variety of meats at reasonable prices.
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Old 20 April 2014, 02:36 PM
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I like lamb but haven't tried to prepare it at home in ages. I live in a different area now and it might be easier to find.
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Old 20 April 2014, 03:36 PM
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I rarely see lamb in grocery stores around here, and have never seen goat meat for sale.
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Have you been looking for it? If so, I'm very surprised.
Indeed, while I'm sure there have been exceptions I've seen lamb (usually 'rack' but sometimes ground and on a rarer case leg) in most chain supermarkets regularly. There are also a variety of real butchers that have it regularly as well and often have more variety.

There are specialty markets where you can get more variety of lamb as well as goat (I think erwins turned me onto one a while back), usually look for Muslim markets as that type of meat is much more common in them (I know of at least three or four in the Portland area, never looked in Vancouver but I don't doubt they are up there).


I think the general foods available in supermarkets is pretty hinged on the region (which isn't surprising). I know we have a lot of interesting meat options up here even in Walmart. However one thing I have noticed is that oftentimes while there may be various ethnic or speciality meats you often have fewer options available; as I noted while it's common enough to find rack of lamb (a delicious but very expensive cut) it's somewhat harder to find leg of lamb in a typical supermarket.

Same with duck (another meat I like); it's not that hard to find a whole duck, but I don't think I've ever seen 'cuts' of duck (like they do with chicken), the way I've heard they have in other countries quite commonly, aside from in specialty markets.
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Old 20 April 2014, 05:12 PM
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Hmm.

At my grocery store, I can regularly find chicken, turkey, beef, pork, lamb, and duck. I can get whole duck, duck breasts, duck legs, or duck fat. I can get rack of lamb, leg of lamb, or ground lamb, or cut lamb for stew, or lamb chops, or a half a lamb. I can also get a pretty significant variety of seafood and cheese. I can get liver, heart, lungs, etc., too. And if I want something really unusual, I can either go to the local dedicated butcher or fish shop.

Maybe I don't live in Real America.

ETA: I can usually get bison, deer, and goat, too, but that isn't absolutely always in the stores.
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Old 20 April 2014, 05:17 PM
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I don't think anybody said not the 'real' America, but I do think (IME at least) you probably don't live in a typical America, at least not with regards to meat availability (assuming you are talking about a general large chain supermarket, we have plenty of smaller markets that have tons of options but I, and others, are talking about things like Kroger, Safeway, Shop Rite, etc).
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Old 20 April 2014, 05:18 PM
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I'm talking about chains. Not all of them carry everything, but I can get all that from either Shop Rite or Wegmans.
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Old 20 April 2014, 05:23 PM
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ETA: I can usually get bison, deer, and goat, too, but that isn't absolutely always in the stores.
IME meats like that are limited either to a butcher or to a speciality shop. Though having said that I don't think I've ever seen deer for sale anywhere.
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