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Old 14 October 2010, 10:46 AM
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Actually, it sounds very much like a UL.
Which most torture porn anti-Inquisition pamphlets were, of course.
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Old 14 October 2010, 03:01 PM
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Question: What's this? (hold out your arms)
Answer: A crappy way to spend Easter
The pedant in me can't resist even thought this is a joke. Jesus died on Good Friday, so he still had two days of the three-day weekend left.

PS. Besides, don't most people spend their weekends just hanging around anyway?
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Old 14 October 2010, 04:09 PM
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ETA2 = And, yes, Jaime, it has apparently reared its ugly rat head in erotic stories. (Shudder. The things people find amusing!)
And arousing. Ugh.
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Old 14 October 2010, 06:49 PM
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That's the ninth hour of the day (i.e. 9 hours since dawn), not the ninth hour of punishment. IIRC, the Bible states more or less that he was crucified in the sixth hour and expired on the ninth hour.
What? So he didn't even "have a bad weekend" for our sins, he "had a bad couple of hours"?

As far as "you should appreciate what he did for you" goes, it's getting pretty thin.
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Old 14 October 2010, 10:16 PM
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Reminds me of a conversation Holly & I had a month ago about cruxifiction. She thought about how people got their legs smashed in by Roman guards so they'd (the prisoners) die faster and then blurts out, "Thank God no one does that anymore! We live in a cilivized age, where people aren't tortured and killed in great numbers by one person's order!" and I looked at her dumbfounded for a few seconds before I could say, "What about Pol Pot? Saddam Hussian? Hitler? That guy we saw a movie of (Idi Amin)? That nut who ran Jonestown?"
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Old 14 October 2010, 11:13 PM
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[QUOTE=Jaime Vargas;1327893]That sounds like something dreamed up by some anti-Inquisition or even anti-Catholic torture porn writer. When you have already perfectly sensible torture implements would you take the trouble to go hunt rats?/QUOTE]

Taken from Sam Harris's The End of Faith, pg 81.

Maybe it is a false accusation, but the Inquisition was not a nice group of people, and there are plenty of different things that they did do that were really, really horrific as far as torture, mutilation, and execution went.
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Old 14 October 2010, 11:39 PM
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Taken from Sam Harris's The End of Faith, pg 81.
I'm really not surprised that he prints ULs as fact. I find many of his claims to be simply unsupported by the evidence. (Only he claims they used "mice"! I need to stop reading this Harris before work. I won't be able to stop laughing.)
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Old 15 October 2010, 03:16 AM
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The pedant in me can't resist even thought this is a joke. Jesus died on Good Friday, so he still had two days of the three-day weekend left.
Wasn't Jesus dead for the next couple of days of the long weekend? I guess you could say Sunday was a good day.
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Old 15 October 2010, 03:54 AM
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Is Easter weekend a three-day holiday in some places? (I kind of forget what Easter was even like because it is completely unknown here.)
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Old 15 October 2010, 04:00 AM
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Is Easter weekend a three-day holiday in some places? (I kind of forget what Easter was even like because it is completely unknown here.)
Most of Australia have a 4 day weekend, with a public holiday on Good Friday and Easter Monday.
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Old 15 October 2010, 04:05 AM
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Tasmania gets Easter Tuesday as well.

Just because.

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Old 15 October 2010, 04:29 AM
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Most of Australia have a 4 day weekend, with a public holiday on Good Friday and Easter Monday.
We get the same. It's actually a bit awkward, because we have several other public holidays in the March/April period, so you can end up with a lot of disrupted weeks.
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Old 15 October 2010, 08:52 AM
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Is Easter weekend a three-day holiday in some places? (I kind of forget what Easter was even like because it is completely unknown here.)
Here it is a four-day holiday. Good Friday is a holiday, and depending on the region, either Holy Thursday or Easter Monday is one too.
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Old 15 October 2010, 09:27 AM
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Four days in Germany, too, from Good Friday to Easter Monday. Schools are usually closed for a whole week either before or after Easter.

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Old 15 October 2010, 10:51 AM
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That sounds like something dreamed up by some anti-Inquisition or even anti-Catholic torture porn writer. When you have already perfectly sensible torture implements would you take the trouble to go hunt rats?
It's also used in one of Anthony Rud's Jigger Masters stories: The Stuffed Men (a 'yellow peril' mystery); Bill Pronzini describes it {the book} in Son of Gun-in-Cheek.
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Old 18 October 2010, 12:15 AM
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That sounds like something dreamed up by some anti-Inquisition or even anti-Catholic torture porn writer. When you have already perfectly sensible torture implements would you take the trouble to go hunt rats?
Because a good torturer is inventive and resourceful.

Poe attributes it to the Inquisition, but, from what I can piece together from Wikipedia, it was actually invented by dutchman Diederick Sonoy during the Eighty Years War against the Spanish.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, the Inquisition was forbidden from drawing blood when extracting confessions. Therefore they mostly used the rack as a torture device.
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Old 18 October 2010, 01:18 AM
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Poe attributes it to the Inquisition, but, from what I can piece together from Wikipedia, it was actually invented by dutchman Diederick Sonoy during the Eighty Years War against the Spanish.
What's the Poe reference?

I find it curious that this supposed torture methods is attributed to everyone from the Chinese to the Inquisition yet there isn't a single (reasonably reliable) account in the literature of it. If it smells like a UL and looks like a UL, it's probably a UL.
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Old 18 October 2010, 04:48 PM
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I find it curious that this supposed torture methods is attributed to everyone from the Chinese to the Inquisition yet there isn't a single (reasonably reliable) account in the literature of it.
Nope there are accounts in literature. See the name I dropped earlier. Wikipedia cites John Lothrop Motley (1883). The Rise of the Dutch Republic. Bickers & Son. http://books.google.com/?id=mDcOAAAAQAAJ.

I was kind of mistaken in the Poe reference, in that I was thinking of the rats in Pit and the Pendulum. In fact the protagonist is saved by rats when the gnaw through his ropes.
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Old 19 October 2010, 09:29 AM
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Nope there are accounts in literature. See the name I dropped earlier. Wikipedia cites John Lothrop Motley (1883). The Rise of the Dutch Republic. Bickers & Son. http://books.google.com/?id=mDcOAAAAQAAJ.
In any case, if that account is true then it's the exact opposite of what was claimed. It was the Catholics who were being tortured. It might have happened in history (like some other ULs) but it has all the marks of a UL - especially that it changes at every telling to match whatever the teller wants to communicate. I think we can safely say that nearly all of these tellings are false.
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Old 19 October 2010, 11:34 AM
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Four days in Germany, too, from Good Friday to Easter Monday. Schools are usually closed for a whole week either before or after Easter.

Don Enrico
Four day holiday here too, with schools closed the week before and the week after.
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