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Old 23 June 2008, 12:33 PM
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Or about abusive boyfriends or indentured servitude ("You're gonna stay here or I'm gonna have your dad offed" attitude doesn't really scream "interracial dating" to me. Unless your interracial boyfriend is a jerk.).
Sadly, even at his most beastly, the Beast was better than Gaston.
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Old 23 June 2008, 01:20 PM
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Finding Nemo was a Pixar movie before Disney bought the rights so that doesn't really count. But all Disney movies contain some sort of message.

Beauty and the Beast = Interracial dating
Fox and the Hound = Race relations
Hunchback of Notre Dame = Disabled people
Mulan = Feminism
Snow White = Orphans
Lady and the Tramp = class relations
Lilo and Stitch = foster care system
I have a very different idea of the messages in some of the Disney movies, I think.

Beauty and the Beast is about finding the beauty in someone even if they're not gorgeous. I mean, Gaston was supposed to be the cocky hawt guy that every girl should fall for, but was a total self-centered ass, whereas the Beast was ugly inside and out because he considered himself ugly, but later his inner beauty shined.

Hunchback of Notre Dame was about oppression and genocide (wanting to kill all gypsies and killing gypsy sympathizers?).

Snow White is an extremely bastardized version of the original story, so I think one would have to read the story and compare the two before jumping to conclusions about its message.

Lilo and Stitch was about how a family can still be a family when it's not traditional (Nani was Lilo's sister and guardian, because their parents died in a car accident). Lilo was not in foster care.
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Old 23 June 2008, 04:35 PM
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I used to always talk at the screen whenever I watched my Lion King tape- at the beginning when all the prey animals are bowing and celebrating at the birth of little Simba. "Oh, yay, a new predator!"
Which, incidentally, is how "Kimba the White Lion" begins...
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Old 23 June 2008, 08:40 PM
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Which, incidentally, is how "Kimba the White Lion" begins...
One fascinating difference: Kimba sought to change the old order, by devising a "meat substitute," so that the carnivores need not kill to survive. He struggled to break the "circle of life." He even rued that the food was, for a time, based on grasshoppers, and when a vegetable-based alternative came about, he let the grasshoppers go free.

Simba might have continued to eat grubs rather than to kill antelope...but there is no indication that he imposed this requirement on all the carnivores in his realm. He didn't have the greatness of soul to challenge the circle of life.

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One fascinating difference: Kimba sought to change the old order, by devising a "meat substitute," so that the carnivores need not kill to survive. He struggled to break the "circle of life." He even rued that the food was, for a time, based on grasshoppers, and when a vegetable-based alternative came about, he let the grasshoppers go free.
Was this before, or after, the land became over-populated?
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In the film, the lions justify this by going on about the circle of life - the lions chow down on hundreds of zebras during their lifetime, but it's okay because when the lions die, their bodies turn to dust which helps the grass to grow...which the zebras eat, so it's all okay.

It's sort of like a life-long slave trader justifying it all by leaving a couple of quid to the emancipation movement in his will. It's all part of the great circle of life.
I'll see if I can find the actual bit to quote later, but the ...Mr. Hell Show riffed on that once, including a zebra objecting, while being eaten, that it wasn't much comfort to know that, eventually, the predators would get theirs, too.

Sigh... There's a DVD I'd buy the moment it was released...
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Lilo and Stitch was about how a family can still be a family when it's not traditional (Nani was Lilo's sister and guardian, because their parents died in a car accident). Lilo was not in foster care.
But, after a fashion, Stitch was...
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Old 09 July 2008, 05:44 PM
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But, after a fashion, Stitch was...
What do you mean, he was in foster care? The United Galactic Federation made the Earth a protected planet because they let Lilo and Nani adopt Stitch into their family. Therefore, not a foster situation.
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Old 09 July 2008, 09:54 PM
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What do you mean, he was in foster care? The United Galactic Federation made the Earth a protected planet because they let Lilo and Nani adopt Stitch into their family. Therefore, not a foster situation.
Adoption, foster care, po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe...
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Old 10 July 2008, 01:01 PM
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Adoption, foster care, po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe...
They are not the same thing. I'm sure there are many people on this board that agree with me.
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They are not the same thing. I'm sure there are many people on this board that agree with me.
Hence (a) the "after a fashion" in my original post and (b) the winking smiley in my last one.
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What do you mean, he was in foster care? The United Galactic Federation made the Earth a protected planet because they let Lilo and Nani adopt Stitch into their family. Therefore, not a foster situation.

I thought they made earth a protected planet because of the endangered mosquito population..

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Old 10 July 2008, 06:52 PM
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I thought they made earth a protected planet because of the endangered mosquito population..
LOL well, that was Pleakley's excuse
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I thought the big message in Lilo and Stitch was accepting others, even if they were different.
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