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Old 22 October 2018, 09:42 PM
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Default Samantha the Sex Robot Needs Repairs After Abuse at Trade Show

Itís hard to believe, but even Samantha the Sex Robot might need to be reprogrammed to ward off unwanted sexual advances.

It sounds like something out of a futuristic novel, but the robotís developers were shocked by how Samantha was treated at the Ars Electronica Festival in Linz, Austria.

https://secondnexus.com/science/sama...2dc93302272904
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Old 22 October 2018, 09:50 PM
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There's something incongruous about a machine already labeled a "sex robot" needing to "ward off unwanted sexual advances." It's even more incongruous that the designers are shocked by this.

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In truth, Samantha is not so far removed from the “robots “ featured in a few of the original Star Trek episodes and, not surprisingly, many of the same moral questions that this landmark sci-fi series tackled in the 1960s still apply. It’s worth asking if building thousands of robots to do our bidding is really just a high-tech form of slavery, or what rights might accrue to our creations as artificial intelligence moves closer and closer to sentience.
There's no moral argument here. If someone packed my PC's components into a hyper-realistic looking male body, it's still a machine. It doesn't get the rights of a human being because it looks like one.

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(*The moment my PC tells me it isn't going to do something it was purchased for*, it's getting a hammer taken to it.
*And, no, I'm not talking about error conditions or faulty programming.)

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Old 22 October 2018, 10:11 PM
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This happened a year ago.
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Old 22 October 2018, 10:12 PM
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Anyone shocked that a robot sex worker was abused and damaged has never been a human sex worker.
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Old 22 October 2018, 10:31 PM
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I was sure I remembered a previous thread about it too - here it is, posted by TallGeekyGirl from the same article:

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=96287

I was the only person who replied to that one, but I had a similar reaction to Psihala.

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I have much the same reaction as to the story about Siri:

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Itís worth asking if building thousands of robots to do our bidding is really just a high-tech form of slavery, or what rights might accrue to our creations as artificial intelligence moves closer and closer to sentience.
Artificial intelligence is a million miles from that at the moment, and the problem here is building this object and then trying to persuade people that it's a woman. I doubt those "abusing" it think it's a real woman, and (unlike in the case of actual women who face abuse) they're right. Of course people are going to try to test the reactions of the system to different inputs. It's amazing that their test team didn't already do that.

Arguing whether it should have rights is exactly the opposite of the problem, and seems to me to be extremely demeaning to actual women.
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Old 23 October 2018, 02:36 PM
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I've said this in other threads, but there is a real danger in assuming that the current state of commercially available artificial intelligence is anywhere near creating a being that has near-human intelligence and emotions, or the equivalent of human rights. In many cases it's not even really complex at all, but just a bunch of responses that sound more intelligent than they are. I can program something to say "it's a pleasure to work with you", but that doesn't mean it understands pleasure, or even the meaning of that sentence. If we start thinking this robot - and I use the word loosely - is being abused, we're opening the floodgates to a huge number of frivolous lawsuits, demonstrations, and political movements.

On the other hand, the article is a little more on target when it says we need to start asking the questions about robot rights now - and the first question should be "how do we objectively determine that a being is deserving of some level of rights?" Unfortunately, such metalegal issues are rarely thought out before the issues they question become reality.
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The phrase "X was abused" does not always mean that the speaker is assigning human rights to X, it can simply mean that X is being used in ways that are likely to damage it.
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The phrase "X was abused" does not always mean that the speaker is assigning human rights to X, it can simply mean that X is being used in ways that are likely to damage it.
True. I should have said "physically, mentally, and/or sexually abused in the same sense that we would apply those terms to humans".
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Old 23 October 2018, 07:42 PM
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Sorry about the story being old - not sure why it turned up in my Google news feed.

I think what bothers people here is not so much the abuse of the robot itself (except to the degree that careless or malicious handling of someone else's property is a problem), but the degree to which it represents the attitude towards women -- or at least, female sex workers -- as being basically objects that more or less invite their own mistreatment. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. If I were left alone with such a robot, I might very well want to at least feel it to see just how realistic it was (meaning possibly touching what on a person would be some pretty private spots), something I would not consider dong to an actual woman without her consent, even if she were helpless to prevent it (say, unconscious). (But would I want to do the same to a "male" sexbot? Probably not, or not as intimately.) I think it's not too different from concerns about whether and how much watching porn, or engaging in violent behavior in video games, affects (or is a symptom of) real-life attitudes and behaviors. To which the answer is, "I don't know," but my feeling is that it probably varies between individuals.

Me, I'm not interested in a sexbot until they get sophisticated enough that it can actually seduce me in a reasonably convincing fashion. I've never been much interested in passive partners...
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