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Old 06 February 2018, 12:09 PM
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Roll eyes Donald Trump Attacks Democrats Not Clapping At State Of The Union As ‘Treasonous’

Another day, another piece of idiocy from Dear Leader's mouth...


Link here just in case: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b00f94fe93f924
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Old 06 February 2018, 12:54 PM
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I saw this yesterday and was just floored. It seems like President Trump has to work each day to find a new way to offend people. Is he working now to make treason no big deal, so that his team committing treason with Russia will come to be seen as no big deal, or not as big a deal as the Democrats not applauding him enough?
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Old 06 February 2018, 01:13 PM
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No, he's working to convince his base that opposing him is treason, and that he is the bulwark protecting their liberty. And it's working -- someone commented on a friend's FB page that the Nunes memo documents "multiple coups against an elected president."
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Old 06 February 2018, 01:51 PM
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You can't have multiple coups against the President as he wouldn't be President after the first one.

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Old 06 February 2018, 02:33 PM
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The public perception of what treason is has long been overblown; that the president is even farther off-base than the general public is, sadly, not surprising.

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Old 06 February 2018, 02:38 PM
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Treason is doing anything the president doesn't like, right, unless he* is an invalid president (i.e., a Democrat)?

*yes, just he.
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Old 06 February 2018, 02:51 PM
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I shouldn't support name-calling on either side, but Senator Duckworth has at least got the cred to do so.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b00f94fe944690

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We don’t live in a dictatorship or a monarchy. I swore an oath ― in the military and in the Senate ― to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not to mindlessly cater to the whims of Cadet Bone Spurs and clap when he demands I clap.
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Treason is doing anything the president doesn't like, right, unless he* is an invalid president (i.e., a Democrat)?
I doubt it is even that nuanced. This basically the classic toddler* response, "I'm not a weeny-head, you're a weeny-head!"

* With apologies to actual toddlers.
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Old 06 February 2018, 03:57 PM
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I doubt it is even that nuanced. This basically the classic toddler* response, "I'm not a weeny-head, you're a weeny-head!"

* With apologies to actual toddlers.
You forgot: MOM!! Johnny called me a weenie head!!

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Old 06 February 2018, 04:38 PM
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You can't have multiple coups against the President as he wouldn't be President after the first one.
That's only true for an odd number of coups. If there's been an even number of coups then he could still be President...

(And if there's more than one party carrying out coups, he could be President after any number of coups as long as he managed to get the most recent coup in himself, which means after any number of coups except 1. Assuming he was President in the first place.)

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I doubt it is even that nuanced. This basically the classic toddler* response, "I'm not a weeny-head, you're a weeny-head!"

* With apologies to actual toddlers.
Harvey Richards, Lawyer for Children from Tom The Dancing Bug. Trump's given him a perfect opportunity to resurrect an old character...
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Old 06 February 2018, 05:20 PM
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The first of those would only be true when coup > 3.

For the coup/countercoup scenario, you'd need to have a coup to remove him, a coup to install him, another coup to remove him, and another coup to reinstall him. If you stopped after three, it would be multiple coups against the former President. If you stopped after two, it would only be a single coup against the President.

For the second it would be true after n*3 coups where n = number of couping parties.

PS. The word coup has now become the oddest looking word.
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PS. The word coup has now become the oddest looking word.
Yes, I had to stop and make sure I was spelling it correctly half way through my post.

(eta) So does this mean that all the American political analysts are busy counting the number of coups in the memo to work out whether Trump's still President?
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Old 06 February 2018, 06:01 PM
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For the second it would be true after n*3 coups where n = number of couping parties.

PS. The word coup has now become the oddest looking word.
This all sounds very coup-coup to me.
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Just when I think I could not possibly hate him more than I already do, he stoops even lower .
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(eta) So does this mean that all the American political analysts are busy counting the number of coups in the memo to work out whether Trump's still President?
Yes, they are counting coup.
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I would like to see the media and all commentators simply report "Trump said something stupid again today", and then ignore it. He only says stupid things to distract everyone from whatever scandal he is in this week.
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Old 07 February 2018, 12:43 AM
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While I understand the temptation, I still think it's wrong to compare Trump to a toddler. Toddlers are filled with natural curiosity and are capable of displaying some empathy towards others. If nothing else, no matter how irritating they may be, there's still a possibility that a toddler will grew the NFBSK up and stop being so irritating.

:shakes head: Are there any accurate comparisons we can make regarding Trump? As said before, any fictional villain, regardless of how bad the source material, still has better work ethic than Donald Trump. The same goes for Real World villains as well.

It's probably some of the most irritating aspects of Trump, not just the villainy, but the laziness and pettiness of it all. It's one of the most maddening things about Trump, how his strategy is pretty much: Throw Hissyfits. And somehow the pundits and everyone around him, keeps trying to pretend that this is some clever, Machiavellian strategy, when it's not. There is no strategy behind any of it. The simplest and best answer is that the lion really is a coward, one that can't help but lick his wounds until his skin is raw.

There is some honor in being defeated by a Tywin Lannister-style chess player--it sucks, but you can take some comfort in knowing you were taken down by a worthy foe--but I'm not sure Trump even rises to the level of Joffrey Baratheon-level villainy.

Of course, ideally, we wouldn't be ruled by villains at all, but that doesn't seem likely to happen, right now. If we're stuck with having to be ruled by villains, again, give me ones with some work ethic and competence, give me some Magnificent Bastards. I'd still hate them and want to take them down, but again, there's honor in being defeated by a good villain.

Me, I keep trying to figure out the reason for the decline in the quality of their villainy the first place. My original theory, regarding the decay, was that it was due to the whole "Sons of Privilege from Long Lines of Sons of Privilege" meme, because Richard Nixon was the last GOP president to come from a working class/middle class background, but apparently Reagan came from one as well, so I need to reevaluate my theory.
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Old 07 February 2018, 05:54 AM
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Just when I think I could not possibly hate him more than I already do, he stoops even lower .
Donald Trump orders Pentagon to plan grand military parade

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Donald Trump has ordered the Pentagon to plan a military parade that would see soldiers marching and tanks rolling down the streets of Washington, it was reported on Tuesday.
Maybe you can finish with the execution of some traitors?
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Old 07 February 2018, 06:21 AM
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Also, the first person to stop clapping will be shot.
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Old 07 February 2018, 11:52 AM
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I got the chills when I first heard this and it was not from the weather! Then I picked up the brick that I dropped on the floor.
Holy freaking guacamole, this has got to be a joke right?
DH would like to see it done Lambeth Walk style.
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Old 07 February 2018, 11:57 AM
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I would love to see the streets lined with people, all turning their backs on the parade as it approaches.
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