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Old 23 September 2017, 09:42 PM
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Probably I am misunderstanding you. However, you seem to be saying that the only way a system can be tested is to put it out in the public and see what breaks. This is not what is done with any system. Well, except for some of the new LED lamps. Manufacturers in China are exporting LEDs to the US that do not meet FCC regulations for radio emissions. Companies in the US are buying them anyway. Fines are being imposed. Not as sexy as cars but a practical example. In this case, there are regulations but these are being ignored by the engineers at the direction of management.
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Old 23 September 2017, 09:52 PM
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I don't think "real world testing" really means much (is this another dumb term? probably) when they don't know what to test; they still don't have a handle on all the things that can go wrong.
Or does this mean that you think engineers and scientists can't think of every mode of failure? If so how can regulators do so?
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Old 24 September 2017, 02:46 AM
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However, you seem to be saying that the only way a system can be tested is to put it out in the public and see what breaks. This is not what is done with any system.
No, I was saying the opposite, countering GenYus's argument, as he put it: "that large-scale closed system testing is impractical and would probably be largely ineffectual at this point and that on-the-road testing is the most likely way that the technology will advance."

I was just disagreeing with him. I think he makes some valid points and it goes without saying his opinion is valid. I never questioned his knowledge or expertise (nor yours, nor anyone's). Neither have I held my own up as a matter of argument; so I don't know why they're suddenly being ridiculed, ad hominem. That said, I probably got what's coming for rambling on (incoherently it seems) about these things in this forum, especially when others have already pointed out most of things I'm saying in more appropriate places, where the expertise is on the table.
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Old 24 September 2017, 03:38 PM
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And I'm probably being paranoid and seeing the anti-intellectual attitude of the Americans who support Trump (not that I am saying you support Trump) in places where it doesn't exist.
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Old 12 October 2017, 10:53 PM
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The November issue of Car and Driver has several articles on Driverless cars. This has good explanations of almost anything you might want to know. The really scary part, to me, is a quote from the Wall Street Journal "........more than a dozen members of Tesla's Autopilot team have left in recent months over rushed deadlines and reckless marketing decisions." In other words, engineers aren't making the decisions.
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