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Old 06 June 2014, 09:36 PM
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I hope you took points off for redundancy.
I'm sure there were more expletives in front of 'godless atheist', just to drive home that point even more.
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Old 06 June 2014, 10:15 PM
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Since he apparently can't be everywhere (and everywhen?) at once, I'd guess that their deity was protecting someone else. You know, like how a deity will save one person from a plane crash by giving them a flat tire, but can't do the same for the other 150 people who were on that flight.
Yeah, if 151 people all got a flat tire on the way to the airport and it turned out they were all scheduled for the same flight that crashed, that might be enough make me start to believe in a supernatural being. On the other hand, if nobody showed for the flight, it wouldn't have a reason to even take off, would it?

And that's why this sort of thought exercise gives me a headache!
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Old 06 June 2014, 11:21 PM
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On the other hand, if nobody showed for the flight, it wouldn't have a reason to even take off, would it?
Actually, it would, because that plane is probably scheduled to pick up more passengers in whatever city it's scheduled to fly to. I don't know if that would be a good enough reason to fly even if nobody, including the pilot and flight attendants, showed up, but it could be problematic either way.

ETA: Come to think of it, you could probably stop a doomed flight more efficiently by just giving one of the crew a flat tire. I was once on a flight that was delayed over an hour because one of the flight attendants overslept.
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Old 06 June 2014, 11:49 PM
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But if there is a God why is there war at all, requiring soldiers that need to be protected?
You can keep breaking it down and down. In the end, we decided it came from evil (Satan, if you prefer) and free will. At least, that was the farthest we could get in an explanation.
There was a situation in which every single member of a church choir was delayed from going to practice for one reason or another and the church was destroyed. Other than that, I don't recall any potential examples of divine intervention in a group.
ETA: and what do you know, it's on snopes: Church Explosion Spares Choir. I can't link on my iPod.

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Old 07 June 2014, 01:10 AM
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I never had a professor try to convert people of various religions to atheism, but I've had professors (two to be precise) try to get people of various political viewpoints to convert.

One even went so far as to threaten marks if their work on the class was not representative of the correct political position.

One professor was an avowed Communist. The other was pretty well extreme Libertarian.

Neither was a pleasant person.
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Old 07 June 2014, 01:24 AM
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I can't even count the number of teachers who have tried to convince me that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Shakespeare. That's crazy talk. And for some reason history teachers never even mention when world leaders were replaced by lizards in disguise. They all want to convert me to their lamestream academic point of view.
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Old 07 June 2014, 01:39 AM
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If you know GOD, don't make stupid remarks!

A young Canadian paratrooper was taking some college courses between Assignments. He had completed 3 tours of duty in Afghanistan. One of the Courses had a professor who was an avowed Christian and a member of the Canadian Council of Churches (CCoC).

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "GOD, if you are real, then I want You to from any harm from evil during this class."

The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am GOD, Praise you I am still safe in your hands, all the world can see how you are sheltering me in Your love."

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the soldier got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him clean off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The young soldier went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned, and sat there looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the soldier and asked, "What in the world is the matter with you? Why did you do that?"

The young soldier stood up and calmly replied, "Think of it as evolution in action. God seemed to be tied up elsewhere."

The classroom erupted in cheers!
THIS IS GOOD, KEEP IT GOING!
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Old 07 June 2014, 04:21 AM
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If, as the Christians claim that God in omnipresent and omnipotent, then how is that God was busy elsewhere.
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Again someone need to ask "what would Jesus do".
He'd send in the Marines!
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Old 09 June 2014, 11:15 AM
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Were you referring to the recent proposal that the development of the human jawbone might have been an evolutionary response to the likelihood of being punched in the face?

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...ientists-claim

(Although according to this idea, the biggest danger from being punched in the face came at the point that hominids developed the ability to make fists, but before our upper body strength was reduced - like being punched by an orang-utan I guess...)
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Old 09 June 2014, 01:51 PM
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Has anyone ever been present when some atheist professor tried to 'convert' the students?
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I never had a professor try to convert people of various religions to atheism, but I've had professors (two to be precise) try to get people of various political viewpoints to convert.

One even went so far as to threaten marks if their work on the class was not representative of the correct political position.

One professor was an avowed Communist. The other was pretty well extreme Libertarian.

Neither was a pleasant person.
I had a university teacher for the mandatory French class at Ottawa U who started each class with a dictation from Marxist propaganda tracts.

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He'd send in the Marines!
Except Canada does not have Marines, so he'd have to actually get them to drive from the states and hopefully get there in time.
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Old 09 June 2014, 02:24 PM
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Except Canada does not have Marines...
We kinda do. French-Canadien sailors ashore.
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Old 09 June 2014, 03:25 PM
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We kinda do. French-Canadien sailors ashore.
"Marins", does not Marines make. Even if canadien -francais sailors are so tough, they get asked to help police when it snows in Victoria's Esquimalt base.

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Old 09 June 2014, 04:25 PM
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If, as the Christians claim that God in omnipresent and omnipotent, then how is that God was busy elsewhere.
He needed a starship.

Edit: but you know, this glurge, in its variations, really does an accurate job of summing up these kind of people: God is sooo important to them, that any offense, no matter how petty, must be responded to with violence.
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Old 09 June 2014, 05:01 PM
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The only professor I had who got political (beyond the course material) was a first year French teacher who was a separatist. And even he kept it to a couple statements while discussing Quebec politics and a button he wore on his shirt.

The closest thing I've seen to the evil atheist professor who pops up in these things was the substitute teacher in second grade who yelled at me in front of the class that 'God made the dinosaurs' when I asked a simple question about evolution (which my dad and I were studying on our own at the time). My parents complained, and that was the last I saw of her.
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Old 09 June 2014, 06:37 PM
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I'm an atheist professor, too, and I can't imagine a bigger waste of time than what's described in the OP.

Were the class and the teacher just staring at each other? For a full 15 minutes? If I was a student, I'd probably just leave the class if it was a good portion of "waiting for God to do something."

The closest thing I had to a professor like the one in the OP was for my Philosophy of Religion class in college. He was Jewish, but incredibly well-versed in many religions as well as atheism. He would set forth different ways that different beliefs (or non-beliefs) would/could test if there was a God and the reasons they might do so and we would discuss if those methods were rational/appropriate. It might be something like, "An atheist might pose this challenge to God. If he's successful, does it mean there is no God? If he's not, is that then proof of God? Why or why not based on the different beliefs?"
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Old 09 June 2014, 10:47 PM
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If you are required to wait 15 minutes for a tardy professor I'm pretty sure you gave to wait longer for a tardy deity.
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Old 10 June 2014, 03:44 AM
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Oh, that reminds me. Apparently Kevin Sorbo just turned this glurge into a movie that came out a few weeks ago.
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Old 10 June 2014, 04:59 AM
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I had a professor spend 20-30 minutes at the beginning of each (80 minute) class on a diatribe about whatever was bothering him that day (literally that long; I once asked him if I could just take my quiz and leave about 30 minutes into a rant that on that day lasted 45 minutes, but he wouldn't pass out the quiz until he was done ranting). That ranged from the evils of the tenure system to some class at Harvard he'd just read about that he thought they shouldn't offer (note: this was not Harvard, so it was even less relevant).

I had another professor who, none-too-subtly, made it clear that socialism was the only valid political system, and that we had to think so, too, to do well in his class (or at least pretend to think so). Another professor held similar views about population control and family size (no more than two children per couple).

I had yet another professor, a liberal Protestant, who spent a lot of time ranting about evangelicals, and actually did spend a huge amount of time actively attempting to convert the evangelicals (to liberal Protestantism). This involved a range of things from guilt tripping and distorting things they said to outright mocking, in private and in public, sending nasty emails to students, and blatantly violating University policies with respect to confidentiality about grades.

This made her enemies among evangelicals, liberal Protestants, Jews, Catholics, atheists, and others, as it happens.

But for the most part, professors are more interested in helping students learn how to deal with the course material than they are about their bully pulpits, in my experience, despite several memorable exceptions.
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Old 10 June 2014, 05:04 AM
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I was very disappointed by how apolitical all my college professors turned out to be.

My fault for choosing a tech school, I guess.
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