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Old 07 February 2013, 11:04 PM
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Icon07 Drop ‘Redskins’ name? Time to take a stand.

I am a passionate fan and season-ticket holder of the Washington professional football franchise. In more than 3-1/2 years as a columnist, I have not opined publicly on whether the team should drop the name ‘Redskins’ on grounds that it offends Native Americans.

It’s time to take a stand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...4b5_story.html
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Old 07 February 2013, 11:30 PM
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Native American advocates and their supporters have persuaded me that all Indian references have to go. That means a new logo, too.

I learned this first from my sister, who lives in Minneapolis, where Indian issues are more sensitive. She joined me several years ago at FedEx Field for a game against her team, the Vikings. She grimaced when the band marched out on the field wearing feather headdresses. “Oh, that is so offensive!” she said.
But she presumably wasn't offended by Vikings fans wearing horned helmets.

There is a kind of double standard about these things - though, maybe there should be; Vikings were never really an oppressed minority. (Though ironically, the ones who made it to the Americas were probably driven out or killed off by Indians....)

However, while I am not convinced that all use of Native American names and iconography by sports franchises and schools is inherently offensive -- Redskins? Really? That's a term that was intended to be derogatory and dehumanizing to start with. And the team plays in our nation's capital, or at least is named for it. No, it's definitely well past time to do away with it.

I do hope they come up with a better name than the Nationals....
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Old 07 February 2013, 11:45 PM
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Yes. It's time to retire that name. Long past time.

It's hugely offensive.

It's as bad as the "n" word, IMO.
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Old 08 February 2013, 12:17 AM
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As for a better new name, no one is currently using the "Washington Bullets" so they can use that one. Sorry, I'll get it... Thank you
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Old 08 February 2013, 12:45 AM
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I was going to suggest renaming the team the Potato Skins...
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Old 08 February 2013, 12:59 AM
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Well, if they want to keep the Skins nickname then maybe they should go with the Pigskins.
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Old 08 February 2013, 01:10 AM
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They should just call themselves The Skins, and the Cowboys could be renamed as The Shirts, so they can continue the age-old Shirts/Skins rivalry.

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Indeed, there would never be a sports team named The Crackers.
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Old 09 February 2013, 04:05 AM
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change their logo to a Potatoe keep the name.
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Old 09 February 2013, 04:15 AM
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Sure, then have Dan Quayle do the commentary.
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Old 09 February 2013, 11:15 PM
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Indeed, there would never be a sports team named The Crackers.
In addition to the team you allude to, there once was oddly enough, a Negro League team known as the Atlanta Black Crackers.
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Old 10 February 2013, 12:22 AM
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What team did she allude to?
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Old 10 February 2013, 01:02 AM
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I assume it was in reference to the Atlanta Crackers.
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Old 10 February 2013, 01:40 AM
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Not to speak for Avril but I think she made it clear she agrees the name is offensive so I wonder why she would be alluding to a long forgotten minor league baseball team.
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Indeed, there would never be a sports team named The Crackers.
What about the "Notre Dame 'Fighting Irish'". That plays to the stereotype of the Irish as undisciplined brawlers, and you can't say that the Irish in America weren't subject to discrimination.

("No dogs or Irishmen allowed." "Rooms to let--no Irish need apply.")
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But "Irish" is not a slur.
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Old 04 February 2014, 03:23 PM
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I feel like we already had that exact same discussion. And yes, in and of itself, "Irish" is not a slur. "Redskins" is. By itself. Just the word. Just the exact word, no context needed. It is always a slur.

Always.

Watch the video. Are there Irish people who refuse to call themselves Irish?
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Old 04 February 2014, 03:33 PM
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While not exact, the Notre Dame mascot would be more closely analogous to the Cleavland baseball team mascot. (ETA: I was responding to a few threads ago, the name "Irish." I agree that "Fighting Irish" is more of an issue. Maybe more analogous to the Atlanta baseball team then?)

Also, it is irrelevant. The National Congress of American Indians, AFAIK, is advocating for a change in the name of the Washington NFL team, not the Notre Dame college sports teams. If people think the Notre Dame mascot is an unflattering caricature, then have at it.

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"But what about the white people"? Seriously?
What she said.
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... Are there Irish people who refuse to call themselves Irish?
Interestingly enough, in the Philadelphia of the 1930's and '40's, my father was embarrassed enough of his Irish descent that he told friends that he was "Welsh". In his experience, Irish was indeed a negative term. We, as a family are long past that now. The whole "Welsh" thing is now a family joke.

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Indeed, there would never be a sports team named The Crackers.
As alluded to in subsequent posts, there have been several teams named the Crackers, the first of which was the Atlanta Fire Crackers, which were owned by the Chief of the Atlanta Fire Department (who would later become the Mayor). The ones that followed may or may not have been named after that team, but in all I believe there were 4 different teams named the Crackers in Atlanta, including the Black Crackers of the negro league.

I agree that the term Redskins is a racially charged word, and should probably be changed. Same for the Braves, although the only Native American reference you will find in Turner field now-a-days is the tomahawk logo. It seems that the team is attempting to distance themselves from the racially offensive parts of the name without giving up the name of the longest continually operating sports franchise in America .

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Old 04 February 2014, 03:27 PM
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"Irish" may not be a slur, but "Fighting Irish" sure is. If it was the Notre Dame Happy Negroes, would you seriously be saying that well, technically Negroes isn't a slur so you'll allow it? What it isn't is a slur against an underprivileged minority in this country. And it's just one of the nastier aspects of privilege that this kind of thing simply does not hurt non-minorities all that much. Witness calling white people "cracker" or "honkey". As a white person I just find it funny when someone calls me that. I might feel differently if I was in a region where the color of my skin really did matter in other ways and this epithet was a daily reminder that, try as I might, I would never really fit in.

That being said, it *is* important to remember that circa 1860, this distinction didn't exist. How the Irish became white in the USA is an interesting story in its own right, but they really were not always a member of the political majority.
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