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Old 14 February 2019, 01:21 AM
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Default Fyre Festival Was a Huge Scam, is Netflix Documentary a Scam Too?

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When two movies come out on the same topic, it’s a banner day for cultural criticism. The “twin film” phenomenon—such as the recent Hollywood treatments of the opioid crisis, Ben Is Back and Beautiful Boy—suggests that a certain theme is resonating deeply with the public. It has a long history: Oscar Wilde versus The Trials of Oscar Wilde in 1960, The Conversation versus The Parallax View in 1974, Armageddon versus Deep Impact in 1998. At the dawn of 2019, our twin film obsession is Fyre Fraud versus Fyre, streaming on Hulu and Netflix, respectively. Both movies seem to channel the spirit of the times, bedeviled by grifters and cheats, all presided over by the occupant of the White House. But in the case of Netflix’s Fyre, the grift may have seeped into the production of the film itself.
These are some disturbing accusations.
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Old 14 February 2019, 04:29 AM
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So I had recently watched the one on Netflix, and I just now watched the one on Hulu. And my first impression is that several of Hulu's interviewees referred to the festival as a sh*tshow when clearly it was more of a clusterf*ck...
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Old 14 February 2019, 11:18 AM
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Getting involved in making a "documentary" to make yourself look good is a great idea. Slimy as hell, especially if Netflix knew that they were laundering the reputation of a major player in the fraud, but great idea. Of course, it is why major players allow themselves to be interviewed for books and interviews, but at least then it is pretty obvious that they are spinning the story to their own benefit, but getting involved in secret like this is a great new level of slime.

Thank you for clarifying that, Esprise Me.

ETA: Oh yeah, didn't Trump used to pretend to be others and give quotes about how great Mr. Trump was? I guess it isn't a new layer of slime.
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Old 14 February 2019, 12:05 PM
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This is among the reasons why I recommend viewing the Netflix documentary first. Anyway, made with an (in places unsavory) agenda != scam.

And while we’re on the list of similar films that came out at about the same time, they left out Capote and Infamous.
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Old 14 February 2019, 12:34 PM
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So is Transmorphers a scam too? Bevanfield’s Aladdin? Ratatoing? Sunday School Musical? Sinister Squad? All of these are actual movies, remember.
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Old 14 February 2019, 01:32 PM
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I smell another documentary film!!!

Agree that the film isn't a scam. A scam film would be the movie version of Springtime For Hitler. This sounds more like a fraud.

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the $250,000 payment to Kendall Jenner for a single Instagram post about Fyre Festival
Holy NFBSK! This might be the legacy of the 10's.
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Old 14 February 2019, 01:43 PM
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GenYus, that line really stood out to me also. Do enough people really care about Jenners and what they do that paying a quarter of a million dollars for a tweet make sense in any form of reality?
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Old 14 February 2019, 01:47 PM
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So is Transmorphers a scam too? Bevanfield’s Aladdin? Ratatoing? Sunday School Musical? Sinister Squad? All of these are actual movies, remember.
Transmorphers is the only one of those I know of, and it is absolutely a scam. It was made to trick people into thinking it is Transformers and renting or buying the DVD. I know of several people who were given that or a similar knockoff by grandparents that didn't know better.

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GenYus, that line really stood out to me also. Do enough people really care about Jenners and what they do that paying a quarter of a million dollars for a tweet make sense in any form of reality?
She has over 100 million followers on Instagram, so that is paying her less than a quarter of a cent per person that would reasonably be exposed to the post. I don't get why anyone would follow her, but I can certainly understand why someone would see that and pay her to post something.
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Transmorphers is the only one of those I know of, and it is absolutely a scam. It was made to trick people into thinking it is Transformers and renting or buying the DVD. I know of several people who were given that or a similar knockoff by grandparents that didn't know better.
That is, I believe, a different phenomenon of deliberately made knock-offs rather than competing films of comparable (or even nearly comparable) quality/effort from different producers. There is a film production company called The Asylum which specializes in doing cheap knock-offs of major films and then releasing them in suspiciously similar packaging to make a quick buck off the popularity and name recognition of the real thing. You can find many of the titles in a redbox near you. Transmorphers is one of their titles. Sunday School Musical too. The closest they've come to legitimacy is the Sharknado film-series.
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Old 16 February 2019, 01:09 AM
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Yeah. One title that confuses me is Princess and the Pony, where the title graphic is like The Princess And The Frog, but it’s an unrelated (live-action) movie about a princess and a small horse.

Also, the Asylum also did the Mega Shark movies, famous for this scene: https://youtu.be/I16_8l0yS-g
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Old 16 February 2019, 01:47 AM
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GenYus, that line really stood out to me also. Do enough people really care about Jenners and what they do that paying a quarter of a million dollars for a tweet make sense in any form of reality?
Well, they did grossly mismanage their spending, which is one of many reasons that it was a disaster. But it really seems like Instagram users were the core demographic for the festival and going viral on that platform is the only reason that it ever made it as far as it did. Kendall's sisters are among the very top Instagram users, and she's not far behind.

You hear a lot of stories about people with 5000 followers trying to get stuff for free because they're an "influencer". But I think people with 100 million followers do merit that title, and there is at least some quantifiable economic value to their posts. I don't use the app and don't really get why anyone would care about them or their sponsored content, but it's undeniable that people do.

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Old 16 February 2019, 12:32 PM
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I haven’t actually read the article, but I have a problem with the premise that can be summed up as “What’s a Hulu?”

You can ballyhoo all you want about Netflix being slimy, but we’re not getting an alternative documentary here. Unless Stan has it. Do any of my countrymen have a Stan account?
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Old 19 February 2019, 01:57 AM
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I enjoyed the Netflix documentary, but I couldn’t make it very far into the Hulu one. The opening message of New Media are evil, combined with a ”What’s the matter with kids today!” jeremiad, made me like, “Nope, I’m not going to do this.” With the human dumpster fire we have currently running the country, I’m trying to cut back on stuff that will make me rant incoherently. It’s probably not good for my health, and I’m not in a position where I can afford to alienate everyone in my day-to-day life. Hence why I bailed.

Given that millennials are ekeing out an existence in one of the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, I think you can forgive them for indulging in some lifestyle porn by following the lifestyles of the rich and beautiful people on Instagram. That’s something that has never happened before in the course of human history, people living vicariously through stories about rich and powerful celebrities, am I right?

Though if all the stuff in the linked article is true, I’m wondering if I should give it another go, especially since it does have Billy McFarland actually being interviewed. I remain morbidly curious about how he managed to get so many people to throw money at him for this. His wealth barely existed in the first place, stemming from an extremely dubious credit card operation he ran.

I’m wondering if there are shades of Donald Trump in McFarland, where they were born rich and pretty much have spent their life, working various cons, because it’s not enough for them to be rich. Though that does feel unfair to McFarland; I see no signs that he’s as small-minded, petty, and hateful as Trump. Maybe he’s more the embodiment of the phenomenon behind the song Gangnam Style,” where people pretend to live the flashy lives of the superrich, while barely able to make ends meet.
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...one of the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression? Is it? I'm not sure our current economy is comparable to the great depression.
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Old 19 February 2019, 02:54 AM
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I said “since the Great Depression” which is an indicator referring to passage of time. I wasn’t saying “it was worse than the Great Depression.”
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I didn't say you did, but your phrase implies that the two are at least somewhat comparable. If not, it comes off as hyperbolic.
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Old 19 February 2019, 06:04 AM
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The International Monetary Fund called the recession of 2007-2009 the worst economic conditions since the Great Recession.
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Old 19 February 2019, 12:21 PM
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Though that does feel unfair to McFarland; I see no signs that he’s as small-minded, petty, and hateful as Trump. Maybe he’s more the embodiment of the phenomenon behind the song Gangnam Style,” where people pretend to live the flashy lives of the superrich, while barely able to make ends meet.
I was half-involved in a debacle that had shades of Fyre Festival NFBSKery, just on a tiny scale (and I was 'involved' mostly as a spectator, but with enough behind the curtains access to know I did not want to be any further involved. So I didn't do any of the organising, but I did see the organising, if that makes sense).
Watching the Netflix documentary felt a bit familiar- in kind, obviously not in scale, as my version was a Lego model and theirs was a diamond-studded space cathedral. But what was particularly familiar was what McFarland was secondarily trying to acheive.

I've not seen the other film (likewise, no Hulu) so this could be completely irrelevent and demolished by watching an interview with him, but everything concrete/specific he did seemed to be in service of something more nebulous. Not to set up companies or organise legendary beach shindigs, but be known for having done so and all the glory that would nab for him.
The difference between 'his company will provide you a decent service, use them' or 'his events are sound, I'm in' and 'he's behind that thing that happened! Never mind what the thing was, it was proper astounding. So he must be too.'

This was carbon-copy what I experienced from knowing someone who acheives debacles. They wanted to be in a position of authority/honour within a niche group that has a very particular aesthetic, and you mostly get there by interacting and being nice to interact with, or really really good at the aesthetics. The latter wasn't within their skillset and the former was hard and took a long time, so their only recourse: Let's Put On A Show!
There were members successfully organising big (for us) events and being Known for it, but again, they'd worked up to that through years of practice. And this specimen only saw the reflected glory and not the mire of shite they were often obliged to wade through.

Beautiful backdrop venues were found and beautiful celebrities hired and insider-networking friendships were sealed. Doubters were dismissed, cloud-city status acheived, and dominoes began to topple. Fyre Festival but on a microscopic scale in the English countryside and with an audience of thousands, maybe... but it could have been great, and that is what the doubters were missing and the people clamouring for refunds just don't appreciate. Applause and medals please for a pat on the head and but you tried.

It's that desperate grabbing for first prize, the circular silliness of 'If I pull this off people will believe in me' + 'I have great ideas that cannot fail, so people believe in me' that I got from the brief exposure to McFarland. He'd no real interest in event running or the actual work. Just the ripples.

Yes, when everyone is telling you that your event should be quietly euthanised, there's a point where a graceful exit is possible... balanced with the possibility to be lord of the century. But 'people believe in my vision' doesn't have mileage when the vision is scrawled on bogroll and fag packets, and when you start to run out of tents and food and crowd control, the only one who can still see that shimmering distant mirage is you.
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The International Monetary Fund called the recession of 2007-2009 the worst economic conditions since the Great Recession.
Wasn't that during the Great Recession?
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Sorry, meant to post "Great Depression."

What I get for posting late at night after I should have gone to bed.
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