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Old 08 September 2017, 07:23 AM
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Another awesome essay by Ta-Nehisi Coates. In fact, I think it's the best essay I have read all year. However, please be advised that he uses the N-word several times so you might not want to read this at work.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...coates/537909/

There is so much information in the essay that it was hard for me to pick something to quote. After some time I settled on the following since it so succinctly describes Trump's base.

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So when white pundits cast the elevation of Trump as the handiwork of an inscrutable white working class, they are being too modest, declining to claim credit for their own economic class. Trump’s dominance among whites across class lines is of a piece with his larger dominance across nearly every white demographic. Trump won white women (+9) and white men (+31). He won white people with college degrees (+3) and white people without them (+37). He won whites ages 18–29 (+4), 30–44 (+17), 45–64 (+28), and 65 and older (+19). Trump won whites in midwestern Illinois (+11), whites in mid-Atlantic New Jersey (+12), and whites in the Sun Belt’s New Mexico (+5). In no state that Edison polled did Trump’s white support dip below 40 percent.
In closing, I cannot recommend this essay enough.

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Does the word "cuckold" have something to do with race in its US usage, or is it just that everything in the USA is about race?

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Trump’s rise was shepherded by Steve Bannon, a man who mocks his white male critics as “cucks.” The word, derived from cuckold, is specifically meant to debase by fear and fantasy—the target is so weak that he would submit to the humiliation of having his white wife lie with black men. That the slur cuck casts white men as victims aligns with the dicta of whiteness...
I've never heard the connection to the "white" and "black" parts before. The UK meaning would be summed up by just leaving those words out.

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... Duke in turn praised Trump’s contentious claim that “both sides” were responsible for the violence.
Not in the tweets I saw he didn't - he was outraged that Trump had even suggested that his side might have something to do with it! Although that one strengthens the writer's point.

(eta again) Yes, quibbles aside, the rest of it seems excellent... I haven't finished it yet but wanted to make sure I didn't miss the edit window.

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Old 08 September 2017, 08:07 AM
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I've never heard the connection to the "white" and "black" parts before. The UK meaning would be summed up by just leaving those words out.

Haven't read the rest of the article yet but that is my understanding of the term.

Yeah just checked my old school dictionary and that is the meaning given. "Husband of an adulators wife." No mention of race.
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Old 08 September 2017, 08:35 AM
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Indeed, the plurality of all voters making less than $100,000 and the majority making less than $50,000 voted for the Democratic candidate.
What does "plurality" mean in this sentence? I can't make sense of it.
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What does "plurality" mean in this sentence? I can't make sense of it.
IIRC, it's when no group has more than %50 percent of the specific population, but has the largest percent compared to the other groups. An example would be if a population was split into groups adding up to %40, %25, and %35. %40 is the plurality, even though it is not the overall majority.
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Old 08 September 2017, 11:51 AM
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Ah, so I guess they mean that more of that group voted for Clinton than Trump, but it wasn't an outright majority because of third-party candidates?
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Does the word "cuckold" have something to do with race in its US usage, or is it just that everything in the USA is about race?



I've never heard the connection to the "white" and "black" parts before. The UK meaning would be summed up by just leaving those words out.
I believe the racial meaning is derived from a porn theme. Googling may yield more info, but I'm not about to google it.
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Does the word "cuckold" have something to do with race in its US usage, or is it just that everything in the USA is about race?

I've never heard the connection to the "white" and "black" parts before. The UK meaning would be summed up by just leaving those words out.
Lainie is right this does derive from a genre of porn. Specifically a white man watching a black man have sex with his (the white man's) white wife. Google at your own risk.

It is used as a means of further questioning one's masculinty. "Not only are you being cuckolded, but you are being being cuckolded by a black man." It is a shorthand way to call a white man a wimp and a race traitor at the same time.
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It's used almost exclusively by MRAs and white supremacists, because it's what passes for wit in their circles, apparently.
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Old 08 September 2017, 10:30 PM
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I can honestly and forthrightly state that I am not a "cuck." You have to actually have a wife/girlfriend for that....

Very interesting, thoughtful, well-informed, and extremely depressing essay. Much of it I am sure is correct; other areas I'm less certain, but I can't off-hand point to anything I definitely disagree with. Some of the language is a bit harsh, and may offend a number of whites, but I think that's a good deal of the point, so it's probably necessary. My only real complaint is that it leaves me as stumped as ever in terms of "what do we do about it?" Obviously, less racism would be a good thing, but how do you go about arranging that? Is it even possible? And, in the shorter term, how do we get the power away from this administration and its cronies and enablers?

If I have any reluctance to accept the thesis, it's really because I have trouble accepting any explanation of this election. It is inconceivable to me that anyone of even modest intelligence and education can look at Trump and say, "Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge." It defies my understanding that anyone who is not a rockbound conservative can even consider him the "lesser evil" when compared to Hillary Clinton. It passes comprehension that anyone could vote for him who was not either acting out of sheer financial self-interest (in the case of those who fear higher taxes on the wealthy and regulations of industry), appalling ignorance, or -- well, yes, racism (although of course his opponents in the general election were all white), but only racism strong enough to outweigh so many, many other factors, and I have trouble believing that is the case for many voters (I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong, but I sure don't want to believe it).

It boils down to this: there are people (white people in particular) who voted for Obama, probably twice, and yet turned around and voted for Trump. And I don't get that, and probably never will.
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I know this post doesn't contribute much to the discussion, but damn Ta-Nehisi Coates can write. He blows me away every time.

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Some follow-up. First, here is an interviews of Ta-Nehisi Coates on MSNBC's All In with Chris Hayes:



"We should have seen Trump coming" The Guardian 29 September 2017

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And now the lies of the civil war and the lies of these post-racial years began to resonate with each other, and I could now see history, awful and undead, reaching out from the grave. America had a biography, and in that biography, the shackling of black people – slaves and free – featured prominently. I could not yet draw literal connections, though that would come. But what I sensed was a country trying to skip out on a bill, trying to stave off a terrible accounting.
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That was a fantastic article. Chilling and utterly convincing. Thanks for sharing.
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