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Old 20 November 2017, 09:02 AM
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Default Charles Manson, leader of murderous cult, dead at 83

Charles Manson, who led deranged followers known as the Manson Family into a series of horrific crimes that haunted Americans for over a generation, died Sunday at a California hospital after being imprisoned for more than 45 years. He was 83 years old.

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Old 20 November 2017, 01:58 PM
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Bye, bye, Charlie.

May every attempt to start a race war fizzle out in jail. Preferably without killing a batch of people first.
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Old 20 November 2017, 02:13 PM
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Given that there are people out there even still today who consider themselves "Family", I wonder if someone will claim his body and make his burial place a shrine.

I will not shed a tear for him.
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Why should anyone shed tears for a psychopath? He made himself into the head of the Family through application of Dale Carnegie techniques (he was a big fan of "How to Win Friends and Influence People") and manipulative tricks he learned from pimps. LSD was just an addition to this malignant stew.

Wish I believed in Hell sometimes.

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Old 20 November 2017, 07:18 PM
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He also supposedly studied Scientology in prison, and utilized some of its terminology and techniques.

It's sad that there weren't social and psychological services available that might have turned Manson, or some or all of his followers, down a different path -- but that doesn't absolve him, or them, from the responsibility for what they did. So, no, no mourning, but not a great deal of satisfaction, either.
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Old 20 November 2017, 09:19 PM
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It's sad that there weren't social and psychological services available that might have turned Manson, or some or all of his followers, down a different path -- but that doesn't absolve him, or them, from the responsibility for what they did.
I heard a similar argument many years ago, where someone was trying to blame society for a criminal’s action. Another person then pointed out that their grandparents had survived the Nazi concentration camps and didn’t go on to be serial killers. That ended the discussion very quickly.
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Why should anyone shed tears for a psychopath?
Around here it is an expression meaning that there will be no sorrow.

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He made himself into the head of the Family through application of Dale Carnegie techniques (he was a big fan of "How to Win Friends and Influence People")
Very interesting. From what I've read, he started along the Carnegie path after being in prison. However, I can see its application (maybe learned second hand) in how he did manipulate those around him.
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Given that there are people out there even still today who consider themselves "Family", I wonder if someone will claim his body and make his burial place a shrine.
From what I heard on the radio this morning, he has no known living relatives and therefore it's up the California Department of Corrections to decide what to do with his body. From the sound of that it seems like his "family" doesn't legally have any say in the matter.
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And, thank you, Onion:

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