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Old 22 March 2019, 06:14 PM
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Thanks for serving, Photo Bob. The system needs intelligent, thoughtful jurors like you.
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Old 22 March 2019, 06:27 PM
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Indeed. Thanks, Photo Bob.

I don't know what the people are thinking who say nobody intelligent should be on a jury. Are they utterly convinced that they, and everybody they care about, will never be on trial? Or do they figure that if they're ever on trial they'll be guilty, and so they won't want anybody intelligent on the jury?

Not to mention that not only do we want people on the jury with brains enough so that the innocent have a chance of being acquitted, but also at least for serious crimes we want people on the jury with brains enough so that the guilty have a reasonable chance of being prevented from continuing to inflict their crimes on the rest of us.
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Old 22 March 2019, 06:48 PM
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My thanks as well.

I was listening to a podcast today with Gordon Brown (and David Tennant) and he mentioned that he thought everybody should donate some of their time to helping others.

I have the idea that the more people participate in civic duty, the more civil the people will be. Or maybe it's the other way around.
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Old 22 March 2019, 08:50 PM
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Thanks for the thanks, all.

When we were eating our lunch during deliberations we talked a bit about jury duty and how we got picked. There was a pool of 86 prospective jurors narrowed down to us eight (6 jurors and two alternates). The alternates were released after the trial ended. I would have been pissed if I sat there all week but did not get to be in on the verdict.

None of us could figure out how we were chosen. Not a lot of questions asked by either side though the prosecutor did seem to be using the computer while looking at our juror sheets. Maybe checking us out on the web? Quite possible as it seemed most of us did have a strong internet presence.

All of us did feel the same about it being our duty to be there which was refreshing to hear.

A lot of people I've talked to seem to have the attitude that it should be a jury of your peers so only low-lifes should serve. What?

Anyway, it was a true once in a life time experience. I've done it once in my life and do not need to do it again. I was on a jury once before but the whole thing from jury selection to verdict was maybe two hours so a full week was very draining emotionally.

Our bailiff was cool. He joked with us a lot.

It was neat, but also a little scary when we left. Two deputies escorted us out a back door of the courthouse and to our cars.
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Old 22 March 2019, 09:02 PM
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I was on a jury the last week in January- child endangerment, we found the mother guilty in the second degree - and we took it seriously as well. It was really very interesting.
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Old 22 March 2019, 09:51 PM
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When the extremists on one side are getting increasingly violent and the extremists on the other are often annoying on Twitter then, no, both sides are not just as bad. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be annoyed than murdered.
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Old 22 March 2019, 10:28 PM
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I've found that the people who are most interested in promoting the "both sides are just as bad" argument are actually firm adherents of one side rather than centrists.
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Old 22 March 2019, 10:33 PM
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If I ever find myself on trial, or if I ever change jobs and do jury trials, I hope I get at least one Photo Bob or kitap in the jury box.

I do sympathize with those who get called at an inconvenient time and don't want to serve. I've been there. (Of course I never get called when I could spare the time. As a defense attorney I'd probably get kicked off the jury now anyway.) But I'm grateful to those who don't try to wriggle out of it and take it seriously. For all the lofty aspirations of its designers, the system is only as good as the people in it.
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Old 22 March 2019, 10:47 PM
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I've been given notices of jury duty twice in my life, but both times my number never came close to being called.
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Old 22 March 2019, 11:28 PM
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I've gotten several notices. The ones that arrive in the busy season, I've responded to by saying that I'm the sole proprietor and sole workforce of the farm, and could they please call me November to March instead? and have so far been let off those calls, though sole proprietor of a business that needs you is no longer an automatic exemption in NYState.

I've gotten two that were more or less in the winter, when I'm still busy but less frantic. For both of them, I've gone in and sat in the courtroom (in one case in the village, in the other in the county seat) and listened to jury selection while they called up one batch of people, asked them questions, excused some and kept others, and then called up another batch because they hadn't filled the jury yet; but in both cases they did fill the jury before they called me up, so I didn't have to serve. The second case was last year, and they told those of us who hadn't been called up yet that we were out for, I think it was, six years, for our trouble.

Everybody seemed to be taking the process seriously; although it was my distinct impression that a few of the jury pool were just trying to get out of it, most even of those who wound up excused didn't seem to be trying to get out of it on general principles, but had legitimate reasons. Around here they often have to excuse a lot of people because they're family or good friends of either the accused or the accusers -- the case that was in the village had had to be moved there from a neighboring township because the accused was known to almost everybody in that town.
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Old 23 March 2019, 12:04 AM
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Cognitive distance is weird.

20 minutes across town: just running errands, don't worry about it.

20 minutes on the highway: going out of town, better book the whole afternoon off.

20-minute commute on the highway: vital minutes stolen from my life every day.
That reminds me of a discussion on another board about two small cities roughly an hour apart somewhere in the Midwest or Plains States. Each city has it's own tiny regional airport with a couple of commercial flights per day. A big part of the discussion was about how it was such a waste of resources to maintain two small airports so close together, and why can't people in one town just drive to the other town and use their airport? After all for many New Yorkers it can take an hour to get to JFK, and that airport's in their own city.

One point that came up there was for New Yorkers or people in other big cities, traveling maybe not an hour but say 30-45 minutes = "Just heading across town to run errands or commute to work". For someone in a small city of approximately 50,000, anything more than 20 minutes = "Heading way out of town, major trip."
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Old 23 March 2019, 12:35 AM
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TYSHTTP: Getting married on your birthday seems like a really bad idea for a number of reasons.
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Old 23 March 2019, 12:51 AM
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When I was picked for the grand jury a few years ago, there was one guy who was furious at having been chosen, and griped until they put him in the backup group. His reason? He had just retired, and hadn’t had a chance to enjoy it yet. He didn’t mention it interfering with any actual plans; he wasn’t going on a retirement cruise or anything. He was just mad because he’d been looking forward to relaxing, and now he had to go straight from having a job to having jury duty. Personally I would have thought that was perfect timing. The rest of us jurors just rolled our eyes, wondering how we were going to integrate this crazy jury schedule (Every Monday, Tuesday, and Friday for 8 weeks) into our busy lives.
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