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Old 16 March 2015, 04:00 AM
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Cowboy Gun industry’s helping hand triggers a surge in college shooting teams

In between completing problem sets, writing code, organizing hackathons, worrying about internships and building solar cars, a group of MIT students make their way to the athletic center, where they stand side-by-side, load their guns and fire away. They are majoring in biological engineering, brain and cognitive sciences, aeronautics, mechanical engineering, computer science and nuclear science. Before arriving at MIT, nearly all of them had never touched a gun or even seen one that wasn’t on TV.

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Old 16 March 2015, 08:04 PM
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I am a 4-H Youth Specialist in Missouri, and shooting sports is a major project here. The NRA foundation donated more than $23,000 to my program in the last 2 years , and we are waiting to see what they will give us this year. (Better to give it to us than to give a raise to that wackjob president they have.)

It is a good program, with safety number one in every aspect. We are in a rural area, so all of our kids have seen and handled firearms from the time they are big enough to pick one up, and I think our program keeps them safer.

As a matter of fact, I think all kids should go thru basic firearms safety. Even if you are totally opposed to guns, and would never have one in your house, you don't know what happens if your kid visits another family, or finds a discarded gun. You can say don't touch til your lips fall off, but kids are curious and will investigate.

Better that they know the power of a gun, and how to tell a real one from a fake one, and that the first thing they need to do is tell a grownup.
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Old 16 March 2015, 08:24 PM
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I did my best to teach those things to my kids, but because of the NRA's political activism, there is no way on this earth that I would have ever let my children participate in any program funded to any extent by that organization. I have been told that their community work with firearms safety was once their main thrust, and that would have been fine, but those days are gone, and IMO they carry the stench of their reprehensible political activities into every current endeavor. No offense to 4-H, I love 4-H.
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Old 16 March 2015, 08:51 PM
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There was apparently a point back in the 90s when the NRA considered the idea of putting guns in schools to be a reckless and irresponsible idea. One of the blogs I follow had a speech by a former NRA president about it a couple weeks ago.

These days, it's all "guns! Gotta have more guns everywhere all the time!!1!"
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Old 16 March 2015, 09:57 PM
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As a matter of fact, I think all kids should go thru basic firearms safety. Even if you are totally opposed to guns, and would never have one in your house, you don't know what happens if your kid visits another family, or finds a discarded gun. You can say don't touch til your lips fall off, but kids are curious and will investigate.
Is there a large overlap between children old enough to handle a firearm under supervision vs children who can't tell the difference between a fake gun and a real gun when given the opportunity to handle either?

I don't see how "here's a gun, go shoot it, but don't touch it when I'm not around" is safer than "don't touch guns." A little bit of training/education can do a lot when it comes to swimming lessons; I'm less convinced about gun lessons.
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Old 16 March 2015, 10:26 PM
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I'm for an enormous change in how we view firearms and how they are regulated. At the same time, I think sport target shooting is fine with the right regulations in place. I think I would enjoy it, too. But no way would I participate in or allow my kids to participate in something like that sponsored by the NRA. They are so diametrically opposed to pretty much everything I think needs to happen with guns.
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Old 17 March 2015, 12:42 AM
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The cite refers to shooting clubs in colleges. Technically that is in school but people seem to think it refers to K12 schools.
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Old 17 March 2015, 01:04 AM
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Not necesarily. Threads evolve.
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Old 17 March 2015, 01:31 AM
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Speaking for myself, I completely understand that the OP is about college kids. I was kicking off from sparrowgrass's post. Also, what Lainie said.
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Old 17 March 2015, 01:55 AM
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I don't think anyone here thinks MIT is a K-12 school.
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Old 17 March 2015, 02:33 AM
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The cite refers to shooting clubs in colleges. Technically that is in school but people seem to think it refers to K12 schools.
In Australia, school refers to K to grade 12. I am not sure anyone calls post grade 12 education school. It is one thing I noticed when talking to Americians.
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Old 17 March 2015, 01:36 PM
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I know that, from a fire prevention standpoint (and in particular, the NFPA occupancy definition), "educational" (i.e., "school") in the USA is K-12. Earlier is daycare; later is business with specific occupancies per room (or possibly building, in a multi-building campus with dedicated buildings).

Anyways, whether it's kids or adults, in any educational setting, I have no problem with firearms training and practice done properly. I do have a problem with the current ideology of the NRA, and I do have a problem with the gun fetish that all too many people think is actually the "gun culture" of the US, which it is not. Separating those two things from firearms training, I'm all for it.

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Old 17 March 2015, 01:51 PM
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In Australia, school refers to K to grade 12. I am not sure anyone calls post grade 12 education school. It is one thing I noticed when talking to Americians.
Not even graduate school?
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Old 17 March 2015, 04:03 PM
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I can't speak for Australia, but we have a fairly similar education system and we don't generally use the term "grad school". When I was doing my Master's I wouldn't have said "I'm in grad school"; I'd have said something like "I'm a postgrad" or "I'm a Master's student".
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Old 17 March 2015, 04:04 PM
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I am NO fan of the leadership of the NRA, particularly that shitweasel
Wayne LaPierre who is their public face.

I am, however, more than happy to take their money for my club. I am from a very poor county in Missouri, and our kids don't have many opportunities. This way, I can pay their enrollment fees and take them on out of town on trips.

ASL, I am not sure I understand your question. 4-H kids are at least 8 before they can enroll in any shooting sports, and they are limited to air rifles and archery until they are 10. I don't work with really young children.

I have a real problem with some of my parents who routinely have loaded guns in their homes. THEY say that their kids know not to touch them, but I had kids, and I know they don't always do what you tell them to, no matter what it is.

My own guns are unloaded and hung up high enough so kids can get them.
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Old 17 March 2015, 05:48 PM
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You don't lock them up? Merely hanging them won't keep kids from getting at them unless your house is totally devoid of stepladders or chairs.

Also, it doesn't prevent them from being stolen by a burglar.
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Old 17 March 2015, 05:57 PM
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Interesting article, I first saw it posted by a West Virginia journalist after West Virginia University won its 17th national title as a rifle team. Since the 1980s, the team has used relaxation/reflection/visualization techniques to improve their skills on the range. At one point, WVU officials defunded the team, and I don't know about any NRA support. I would be surprised if the NRA didn't give them money.
Most of the competitive colleges in that sport are either the military academies or universities ( I started to write schools ) in rural states--WV, Kentucky, Alaska-Fairbanks, so the article talking about Slippery Rock (in rural northwestern Pennsylvania) or a college in Oklahoma didn't sound strange to me.
Of course, the focus was on MIT as a fish out of water story.
If the NRA just supported shooting sports and not, as here, laws like "constitutional" carry--ie no permits needed to carry a gun concealed, just have to be 21 years old, that would be different.
It isn't different, and I am hoping our governor vetoes this bill that flew through the legislature with logic like "Criminals don't pay attention to the law, that's why citizens need to be free of this whole permit needed thing".
So foo on the NRA and Wayne LaPierre. Although I too would rather have sparrowgrass get their money for kids than giving it to legislators like mine.

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Old 17 March 2015, 06:33 PM
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Most of the competitive colleges in that sport are either the military academies or universities ( I started to write schools ) in rural states--WV, Kentucky, Alaska-Fairbanks, . . .
Alaska-Fairbanks (UAF), my alma mater, just won second place at the NCAA national championships! /drift.
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I don't think anyone here thinks MIT is a K-12 school.
Perhaps. But the first five posts in the thread (after the op) all appear to refer to K12 type schools, not to a university. Indeed none of those posts even mentions university.
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Old 17 March 2015, 07:41 PM
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Not necesarily. Threads evolve.
"Not necessarily" what? Clearly the OP is about a university. And clearly every post before mine refers to "kids".
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