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I don't know of any evidence that either of these claims is true.
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It's nothing more than vanity that makes a person think that their faith ( beliefs without evidence) is the truth. If a christian child was born into a Hindu family, they'd be taught that Hinduism was the truth. In the broader scheme of life, I don't really have an issue with childish thinking that people haven't grown out of. But the reality is that those beliefs are still used to try to control society. |
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Are the details of the history and contents of the Holy Quran equally important or only the Bible? (I don't even live in a Christian country. I have no idea what I would even do with that supposedly important information. Argue about it here I suppose. It was part of my education but, except where it related to the history of philosophy, mostly a waste of time, IMO. The same is true for a lot of education but...)
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Yes. To me, all religious texts hold equal importance (and relevance).
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Why? Why should a religious belief "demand" any respect?
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I just think human beings should be respected. As for their ideas, not so much. People should be 100% free to say what they want. Yet, I don't see the point of most intentional disrespect, except when it's just a side effect of something. For example, this is a perfect forum for anyone to say what one wants about any book - scripture or not. If the intent is an exchange of ideas and other people are offended by ordinary ideas, that's not really the fault of the person giving an opinion. That doesn't mean it's OK to stand on the street corner and shout it or to intentionally provoke people. (Well, it's noise pollution, for one thing.)
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So... Might makes right? I wonder how the early Christians would have felt about that.
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Well, as long as they don't hurt anybody, why not respect them?
What I meant was, bigger religions have always been powerful than smaller religions. That's just how it is, whether that's right ot not. All religions, big and small, deserve the same respect though. |
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Riiight. Human sacrifices anyone? Or shall we just subjugate half of our members, make them cover their bodies head to foot? I will defend anyone's right to believe anything they want but when religious groups do terrible things, no, I don't respect them.
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I said "as long as they don't hurt anybody". When we're talking about cruel customs like human sacrifice, foot binding and "female circumcision", I agree that it's hard to respect it. But when people are raised into believing such customs are right, we can't just expect them to change their mind just like that. Human sacrifice and foot binding are pretty much things of the past though, thank God.
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I think Islam sprung more from Judaism than Christianity. There are similarities in that they are both Abrahamic. But Islam does not recognize that Jesus was the son of God, was crucified, or that Jesus' death absolves man of sin, so they don't really have much to do with Christianity. Of course, without the Christian Crusades, I would agree that modern day Islam would probably be much different than it is.
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A hammer may be used to commit evil, but that doesn't negate its usefulness or importance. We condemn or commend the person holding it, not the thing itself. ETA: Quote:
But yes, I had always sort of thought of Islam as mainly coming from Christianity until I made that post, when I actually thought about it and realized it was probably more Jewish in origin. I figured my original point was still valid, though, as I would be surprised if the religion had no Christian influence whatsoever. ETA2: Spanked by Furienna as I was editing. Last edited by Tom o' Bedlam; 02 May 2013 at 05:43 PM. |
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The followers of a religion are entitled to the same respect that all humans deserve. The religion itself isn't.
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Some people, myself included, would say that teaching children that they will suffer ever lasting torments if they're not "good" enough is hurting them. Rejecting science and trying to replace it with dogma hurts everyone. Forcing arbitrary morality that is solely based on religious tenants hurts everyone.
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That, I think, is where sober and respectful discussion should come in. All mockery serves to do is draw a line between "us" and "them" and cause people to cling tighter to their dogma.
Also, a nitpick: the word is "tenets", not "tenants." ETA: In fact, this could be yet another reason why the OP is important. The knowledge that hell as a definitive concept didn't originally exist in the Bible might sway some believers to adopt a more "positive" form of Christianity. Last edited by Tom o' Bedlam; 02 May 2013 at 05:58 PM. |
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D'oh! You're right, of course.
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