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Apparently, when DT went on Fox and Friends this week, even his lunatic friends at Fox felt he seemed unhinged and without purpose.
If Steve Doocy thinks you're nuts, you're nuts, sorry. Does the US have precedent for a seriously out of it chief executive, past Wilson? Melania is not stepping in anytime soon. Or have we crossed an irretrievable line based on the power of the executive? I'd blame Ronnie for that but at least he had an opposing Congress and knew it. This has become a joke of an oligarchy. We are the only Western country to have worse access to women's healthcare than Ireland. Do Republicans in the House/Senate not even give a shit anymore? DT pays lip service and his insane ICE campaigns help, but he personally gives less than a shit about things like abortion, etc. |
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"Unpresidented" comes to mind.
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No, they don't. And they're not going to until they catch on to the idea that aligning with Dump is political suicide. If Republicans lose big on the midterm elections, I suspect that suddenly impeachment will become a popular thing so they can replace him with Pence instead of letting a Democrat-controlled Congress perform a more thorough gutting.
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My view, regarding Trump and the GOP, is that there is no deeper zen about anything they do. The simple truth is they sold their souls for money and power decades ago, and just do not care. They won’t outright admit it, but deep down, they know that no matter how badly they screwup, they have the money and connections needed to buy themselves out of trouble. Money buys a lot of things, including escape hatches. Their money and influence shelters them from the consequences of their actions; they will be able to live comfortably, regardless of how badly their horrible policies NFBSK over everyone else. If things really go south, they will use their wealth to GTFO to another country and do the same thing again, while everyone else is left behind to clean up their messes.
Heck, what I just typed, is pretty much what Trump has spent his entire life doing. Trump is basically a goddanged con artist and this is what they do: show up in a place with a good hustle, find some suitable marks and squeeze as much money out of them as you can, then GTFO with their money, as the scheme starts to collapse under the weight of all their lies. |
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If there was an "ignore the POTUS" action, what would it be? Coup d'facto? Coup d'etat with the POTUS left as a figurehead like WWII Japan?
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I don’t know how that would work either. Woodrow Wilson suffered so many strokes that by the his second term, he was so debilitated that his wife, Edith, was effectively running the country, serving as president in all but name. She claimed that she ran everything by Woodrow, but we only have her word on that. Edith carefully controlled and limited access to her husband. I’m not sure if we could count on something like that with Melania.
Though maybe it would be like with Reagan. It’s not known exactly when the Alzheimer’s set in, but there’s evidence that by his second term, he was debilitated enough that his cabinet worked around him. Trouble is, Trump’s hires are based on nepotism or brown-nosing, so there probably isn’t anyone willing to call him out. It might be an effective strategy to distract him somehow, be like, “Crooked Hillary said you couldn’t hold onto this bucket of sand,” then hand him the bucket and try to get something done. |
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I think someone mentioned (How's that for saying I have no idea if this is fact or not?) that the cabinet can find the President incapable of carrying out the duties of his office.
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They can via the 25th Amendment to the Constitution.
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Last edited by Keeper of the Mad Bunnies; 30 April 2018 at 05:20 PM. Reason: My first spanking. Thank you sir, may I have another? |
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As much as it pains me to point this out, there is a difference between "is a terrible president" and "is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office."
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Considering he basically works 9-5, doesn't do anything to help get legislation passed, and then goes golfing on the weekends, I'm not certain how many duties he's discharging.
~Psihala Last edited by Psihala; 30 April 2018 at 05:20 PM. Reason: Move, kitty! |
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Not doing something != being incapable of doing something.
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Yes, thank you.
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ETA: Apparently not, but in 1985 when he needed an unrelated surgery, Reagan himself followed a process to transfer and then later reclaim power. Link Quote:
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IANACS, but I believe this part of Article II, Section 1 would still be in effect: Quote:
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I pitch em up, you hit em out.
On your second point, sure, but AIUI the issue being addressed by Amendment 25 is, short of death, how to determine the POTUS has an "inability to discharge the duties..." and the question was has it ever happened, short of death. My musing/question was did they do anything about it while Reagan was in surgery- not necessarily planning what to do if he had died. |
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As I read it, the 4th clause of the 25th laid out a formal process whereby the VP and cabinet could force a President to be removed from office but didn't establish that as the only way a President could be considered unable to discharge the duties of his office. If there was a situation where a Presidential-level decision had to be made while the President was incapacitated (or, in the old days, if a President was traveling and out of communication) people would probably decide on a de-facto transfer of power to the Vice President. I don't think such a situation has ever come up where there was such a decision that couldn't wait for either the formal process or for the President to become able to discharge his duties.
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