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Old 24 January 2014, 05:29 AM
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My ex-h went to Germany in the 1990s and he claimed to have seen people smoking in elevators.
Our corporate campus eliminated all indoor smoking areas in 2007 or so. Before then it was permitted in designated smoking areas, including the stairwells and elevators. It so happened that the elevator in our building had maintenance at the same time as the ban, so they had cleaned out the pit. Some months later they maintained the elevator again and found dozens of cigarette butts. The building management hung pictures in the elevator of the cigarette butts in the elevator with a statement along the lines that since smoking inside is banned, there shouldn't be any cigarette butts in the elevator.
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Old 24 January 2014, 01:08 PM
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At my (US) elementary school in the '80s, the cafeteria doubled as a smoking lounge before and after school. I remember walking in every Monday morning to pay for my lunch and there they'd all be: teachers, lunch ladies, office administrators, even the principal; puffing away in full view. And of course, there's nothing more appetising than the smell of school food mixed with stale smoke.

By the time I got to high school, in the early '90s, they'd 'officially' banished all teacher smoking to a tiny patio area behind the school. Unofficially, however, teachers, administrators, and students alike could be found lighting up in the park across the road.
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Old 24 January 2014, 01:17 PM
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Yikes. I went to elementary school in the 1960s and our teachers never smoked outside the teacher's lounge.
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Old 24 January 2014, 01:35 PM
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There was an episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents in which a bar had a sign stating "No Unescorted Women" or something to that effect.

I had absolutely no idea what the reason could be until I thought about it for a while and came to the conclusion that it must have meant that if a woman was alone, she just had to be a soliciting prostitute.

At the risk of derailing the thread, was this common in the 50s? It about floored me.
Yes. It wasn't uncommon for there to be a separate 'ladies entrance', which only opened from the inside, sometimes leading to a separate 'couple's bar' that was furnished a bit more luxuriously. The husband/boyfriend/brother would go in the main entrance, and the lady he was with would wait at the 'ladies entrance' for him to come around and let her in.
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Old 24 January 2014, 03:02 PM
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Yes. It wasn't uncommon for there to be a separate 'ladies entrance', which only opened from the inside, sometimes leading to a separate 'couple's bar' that was furnished a bit more luxuriously. The husband/boyfriend/brother would go in the main entrance, and the lady he was with would wait at the 'ladies entrance' for him to come around and let her in.
Because unescorted ladies would not be permitted in the lounge - those women were *clearly* up to no good, and likely to be prostitutes.
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Old 24 January 2014, 07:59 PM
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Because unescorted ladies would not be permitted in the lounge - those women were *clearly* up to no good, and likely to be prostitutes.
Exactly. Women were seen to be trouble.
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Old 25 January 2014, 06:56 AM
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Because unescorted ladies would not be permitted in the lounge - those women were *clearly* up to no good, and likely to be prostitutes.
When I was young I was warned to stay out of bars because married men were just hanging out looking to pick up younger woman in order to cheat on their wives. It was more like all men are dogs, not like all women are hookers.
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Old 25 January 2014, 03:58 PM
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Again, the stereotypes work together: it's not just that men are looking for women to cheat with, it's also that they assume women in bars are the "sort of women" who would sleep with married men.

You'll notice nobody was banning unaccompanied men from bars.
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Old 25 January 2014, 08:59 PM
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For whatever reason - and I don't understand this - women were not exepected to socialize with other women in public. In other words, a number of women did not go out together to a "public house". Women might be there with their fathers or husbands - perhaps begrudgingly - but not of their own volition. Women may have been all for equality, but they were also at the forefront of temperance movements so over the whole of women, the "average opinion" of alcohol was negative.

You'd also think that if that was true, you wouldn't have to keep them out of the bars - they would choose to not go there.

So the assumption grew that any woman in a bar on her own was looking for the company of a man, rather that she was there because she wanted a drink. As Lainie said, unaccompanied men weren't judged harshly for being that way, and they may very well have been in the bar just to have a drink and a smoke, and not to look for either men for camaraderie, or "loose women". There is nothing surprising about this double standard - only that it persisted for so long...
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Old 26 January 2014, 11:59 PM
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Oh, dear God: Goldfinger. I've started to root for the bad guy.
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Old 27 January 2014, 12:15 AM
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If you're talking about Bond's attitude towards women, the book is even worse.
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Old 27 January 2014, 01:09 AM
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How is that even possible?

I remember when Tomorrow Never Dies was coming out and they talked about how it was breaking the "Bond girl" mold. It feels so forced in retrospect. You can literally see the studio execs saying, "How do we inject a little 'girl power' and still make it Bond?"
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Old 31 January 2014, 01:42 PM
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Oh, dear God: Goldfinger. I've started to root for the bad guy.
Yep, that scene where he pats her on the rear end and tells her to leave the men to their work gets more uncomfortable to watch every time.
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Old 31 January 2014, 05:35 PM
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Oh, dear God: Goldfinger. I've started to root for the bad guy.
Don't forget "Fetch my shoes, Quarrel" from Dr. No.
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Old 01 February 2014, 02:41 AM
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I can't remember the exact dialogue, so someone please correct me if I am wrong. There is a part of The Philadelphia Story where Tracy gets pretty drunk the night before her wedding, and the reporter character tries to look after her. The next day, Tracy asks if anything happened - we all know that the "anything" was, although it's never spelled out. The reporter replies that there "are rules about that kind of thing" In other words, it isn't okay to take advantage of a woman when she is drunk and vulnerable.
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Old 01 February 2014, 02:46 AM
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Yep, that scene where he pats her on the rear end and tells her to leave the men to their work gets more uncomfortable to watch every time.
*shudder* And it got worse: his interaction with Pussy Galore is very rapey.
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Old 01 February 2014, 07:02 PM
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*shudder* And it got worse: his interaction with Pussy Galore is very rapey.
IIRC, in the book, it's just about borderline rape.

The characterization of the Bond in the books is something that I've always been fascinated with. While Connery played him with flippancy, the literary Bond is a bad man -- and not only does he realize that, he doesn't particularly like it, either. There was always a degree of self-loathing and sense of existential defeat to the Bond on the page that never made it to the screen, and which made the character's actions more in-context.
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Old 01 February 2014, 07:50 PM
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It really wasn't borderline.

Pussy Galore's characterization in the novel was that she'd been raped by a relative as a child, so she became a lesbian, and then Bond came along and "taught" her how to be heterosexual.
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Old 01 February 2014, 08:47 PM
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Ugh, I knew there was a reason I've never watched Bond movies.

About the: "No unescorted ladies"? A bit over 10 years ago DH was all excited about joining a Moose Club in a City a several miles from us. We had some friends we'd met at a bar we used to play at in the same city who were members. We were all set to join except for a couple "little" issues. The people that ran the club were jerks and pretty rude to non-members. The big issue, however, is that even though women paid the same dues and often did all the cooking and cleaning for events, women were never allowed unescorted into the club. I was soooo not joining that club and DH was unimpressed too as he feels I'm old enough to not need escorting into public places and private clubs. Unrelated, and not a rule I cared about personally, but thought was odd: NO ONE, could ever wear a hat inside the club for any reason. Weird, but then all those clubs are weird anyway. Elks, Moose, Eagles, just strange. IME of course.
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Old 01 February 2014, 09:51 PM
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I've always found the way the character Tootie was written in the movie Meet Me In St. Louis to be surprisingly "modern". She's a little bratty and kills off her dolls and is anything but a sweet little girl. Considering this film was made in the 1940s I get a kick out of that. Made a change from the kinds of little girls you usually see in films from that era.
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