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I'm not sure this has been brought up, 'cause I just came to this thread and it's getting a little long.
The claim has been made than Rose only bet on the Reds to win. How do we know this? Do bookies keep and maintain detailed records of a client's transactions? Or is this another lie? He broke the rules, plain and simple. He broke those rules knowing full well it would keep him out of the HoF. I have no sympathy towards the man. It's a shame, for sure, but he did it to himself. |
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Whether or not Rose bet on the Reds to win is irrelevant. Some assjack fans used this as "proof" that what Rose did wasn't so bad and therefore he didn't deserve to be banned. The fact that he bet on major league baseball games, including games involving his own team is the core of the matter. As for it being a shame, please. He knew exactly what he was doing. He was fully and completely conscious of his actions and he knew it was wrong and violated the rules, yet he did it for nearly 20 years. I only hope that he was brutally raped in prison, but I doubt it. |
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That's the way it goes. It ruins the integrity of the game to have athletes who can throw games. It very nearly ruined baseball in the 1870s and the emergence of Babe Ruth makes people forget how precarious of a perch baseball was on in the fall of 1920. The sporting world was just 5 years removed from the Jack Johnson - Jess Willard fight, a bout Johnson would claim for years that he threw. Boxing is an excellent example of a sport that does not keep itself far enough away from the gamblers. If baseball had let 1919 slide than it would have set an alarming precedent. The whole point of why Kenesaw Mountain Landis was hired was to allow the game to make a huge, damning point on those 8 players (and if anybody ever had a case to not be banned, it was 3rd baseman Buck Weaver, not Jackson. Jackson accepted money and played like a dog in the games the men threw. Weaver never took a penny and by the accounts of all of the other Black Sox was not in on the fix - he was banned because he had guilty knowledge). And contrary to popular belief, this was hardly a Black Sox only thing. There were I believe 20 other players banned outright or silently but totally excluded from organized baseball at about this time, including Benny Kauff (who may or may not have been stealing cars) and Hal Chase (a near-HOF quality 1st baseman whose game-fixing antics were as legendary as his fielding). Even then, there are rumors that fly around SABR-type crowds that Landis may have pushed cases involving stars such as Smokey Joe Wood and Ty Cobb under the rug. Suffice it to say, baseball was in a bad way and needed to do something. Pete Rose bet on baseball games in such a manner that it is not clear at all whether he was setting himself up to throw games he didn't bet on, or to overplay his players in games he did bet on. He's hardly innocent and even at that from what I've heard he was going to be allowed into the Hall in 2004 but he screwed that up by going on a big "what I did wasn't SO wrong" style tirade. I get the impression that Bud has wanted an excuse to bring the guy back in the game (if only into its fringes) but Rose keeps messing it up. I don't want him back but a future commissioner will probably re-instate him. |
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Also, I don't think your head gets smaller after you've stopped taking HGH. Once you've morphed your body (and as much as you want to argue that Bonds looks the same now as he did in '01, he looks like a completely different person than he did in 1995). Steroids themselves only help your work out longer and recover more quickly from your workouts. Once you've gained all that muscle mass, you don't necessarily need to work as insanely strenuously as Bonds did before to keep it. Or maybe he's found a substance that current steroids tests can't detect. As for Bonds maintaining he didn't do anything wrong, please. Pete Rose didn't admit that he bet on the game until a couple years ago, and that's despite the Dowd Report, which is about as conclusive as you can make a report be. There is a mentality among some athletes that the people who watch them are idiots who will believe anything they say because after all, they are the greatest people in the world. They are not totally wrong on this point. |
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All my life I’d heard of Shoeless Joe Jackson, and any time his name was mentioned the phrases “Black Sox scandal” and “he was innocent” usually appeared in the same sentence.
But until I came to South Carolina — and discovered Anderson was getting a minor league baseball team that would be called the Joes — I never bothered to do any research on the man himself. http://www.independentmail.com/news/...y-joe-jackson/ |
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The Dowd report did find one instance in which he bet on baseball but not on the Reds. Maybe he used another bookie that has never been heard from. It's more likely that he just didn't bet on the Reds that night. Picking and choosing your spots when betting on a team you run is not far removed from betting against them outright.
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Well, the center-piece of baseball is the homerun. What do you think baseball's most cherished record is? The stolen base record? The hit by pitch record?
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That's his joke, by the way. He's always talking about his thick skull. |
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It's a way of pointing out the obviousness of this to people without making them read the book. Yes, I know that peoples' skulls can thicken over time... but the way the Bonds' has? I doubt that that happens terribly often IRL. http://tjp.myweb.uga.edu/bonds.htm I link to this because it shows the differences in Bonds' head size. As you can see, it's pretty much the same size and shape right up until 1998-2001, when it just balloons. Does that look like the product of aging to you? Perhaps someone who knows something about cranial physiology can clarify but at this point, particularly with what we know about "the cream and the clear", citing HGH instead of natural aging as the reason for the expansion is the path of least resistance. |
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You're looking at an X-ray of a Mizuno PR4192 bat, commissioned by Pete Rose specifically for his 1985 chase of baseball's all-time hits record. Inside, clear as day, is a piece of foreign material, about 6 inches long, and the diameter of a nickel. This is the story of that bat.
http://deadspin.com/5555714/this-is-...ses-corked-bat |
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I don't know if that article proves that Rose corked his bat, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. The man's a narcissist and thinks the rules don't apply to him. |
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Corked bats are an honorable tradition in baseball; Rose is far from the only player to use them (e.g., Amos Otis -- who generally has a reputation of a good guy -- said he used corked bats his entire career) and there is no consensus as to whether they actually help a batter. It's no worse than throwing a spitball or a scuffed baseball -- neither of which kept pitchers out of the Hall of Fame.
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Rob Manfred, who succeeded longtime commissioner Bud Selig in January, has denied Rose's application for reinstatement, informing baseball's all-time hits king on Monday that he will remain on the outside looking in nearly three decades after his ban for gambling on the sport, and issuing a three-page statement that says Rose has fallen far short of rehabilitating his life in a fashion that suggests he could associate with a major league team.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...reds/77290922/ |
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