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Old 13 December 2018, 11:59 PM
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It's fiction.
You just broke the fourth wall.
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Old 14 December 2018, 03:03 PM
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Leaving Sesame Street behind for the moment, my work week runs from Friday-Thursday (I have a theory about why that is, going back to the time when people actually received physical checks, involving small banks and the largest employer in the area). This means that if I have a late phone call on Thursday, like I did this week, I have to flex my time leading up to Thursday, because on Friday it's too late.

This means I got to leave an hour early on Wednesday (traffic still sucked), because I had to stay an hour late on Thursday. Except my call lasted 1.5 hours. I need to talk to my manager (sometimes we can flex across the 2-week pay period, not just the work week) to find out whether I can leave 1/2 hour early next Wednesday, or I get .5 hour overtime this week (I'd rather leave early).

The call was more interesting than I anticipated, which is part of the reason why it lasted longer than expected.

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Old 14 December 2018, 03:49 PM
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It's fiction.

Is Bilbo really a hobbit?




-- if you want to make the argument that the portrayal of Oscar diminishes and/or pokes fun at the lives of people who genuinely have to live in dumps and/or find their food in trash cans: that may indeed be a fair argument. I haven't watched any significant amount of Sesame Street, at any point during its existence, and can't comment on this particular case very coherently; but certainly the underlying assumptions that get made, and/or get reinforced, by fiction can be a significant problem.

But claiming that the fictional Oscar can't, within that fiction, be living in a sort of Bag of Holding, doesn't seem to me a very good way to try to build that argument.
Bilbo is a Baggins of Holding the One Ring

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Old 15 December 2018, 01:21 AM
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Look at it like this. In Mary Poppins, did they really enter Rupert's (or whatever Dick Van Dyke's street performer was called) drawing, or did they merely play at make believe, with the camera adopting the children's fantastical point of view?
Considering that later on in the movie, we see Mr Banks acknowledge the ridiculous amount of chimney sweeps? And Bert sings to him?

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See, you say they went to grouchland and itís all on camera. I, a realist, posit that what actually happened is that some other residents of the Street indulged Oscar in one of his fantasies in an effort to reach out to him, not realizing that they were doing more harm than good by validating his delusions and steering him further away from getting treatment from a mental health professional.
So youíre saying Oscarís fantasy involves people we never see him interacting with, like the Queen Of Trash?
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Old 15 December 2018, 01:35 AM
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Sure, why not? Surely Oscar can imagine events that he’s not a part of?

My point is that camera-POV—one way or the other—doesn’t necessarily translate into reality, even within the context of the fictional universe.

ETA: People can even imagine themselves as being non-participating observers of events that they really are/were a part of. It’s called dissociation, I believe.

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Old 15 December 2018, 01:51 AM
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But then you’d have to assume that Oscar really cares that much about Elmo to think about where he is.
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Old 15 December 2018, 05:09 PM
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Different topic:

I tweet a daily song from a playlist I created on Twitter. This past week, I tweeted a song from a band that was pretty popular in the '80s and early '90s. Yesterday, the lead guitarist of that band retweeted the tweet and replied to me. That was pretty cool.

What was more interesting is his following of fans. My tweet has gotten far more exposure than I was prepared for or used to. Very cool.

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Old 15 December 2018, 05:24 PM
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You just broke the fourth wall.
Can the fourth wall be broken from the outside?
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Old 15 December 2018, 05:32 PM
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There is no “outside the wall” when the fourth wall is broken. TL has effectively ended our reality with her commentary, and now we are the stage and the world is but an empty script to write upon.

Who then will be our great performers?
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Old 15 December 2018, 05:38 PM
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I think the world's writing us, much more than the other way around.

Although, as we're part of the world, we're also doing some of the writing.

ETA -- whoops, ASL seems to have entirely rewritten the post I was replying to, while I was replying to it.

No, the world's not an empty script for us to write upon. It's absolutely full of other actors, all of them busily writing their own stories.
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Old 16 December 2018, 06:59 AM
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Are you really asking me to prove that we share a reality, where garbage cans donít lead to magical underground worlds of swimming pools
You know that's not what I was asking. You're arguing in bad faith (ie: trolling).
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Old 16 December 2018, 02:24 PM
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GM, take it easy. I'm not entirely following ASL's thought process here, and there may be a joke in there that I'm not getting; but I don't think it's trolling; and that's a pretty drastic accusation to make.
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Old 18 December 2018, 03:26 PM
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I wasn't sure whether this belonged here or in LTTAM, but since this is Unhijackable, and anything goes, I chose here.

I have some exercises to do for my shoulder. One is to stand with your good arm braced on a counter or wall, lean slightly forward, and let the weight of the bad arm just dangle. Then you use your shoulder muscles to move your arm around like a pendulum. So I did this last night, and managed to screw up my back.

I guess I leaned forward wrong.

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Old 18 December 2018, 04:25 PM
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I guess I leaned forward wrong.
As I have gotten older, it is amazing how many things I am capable of doing wrong. I can now sleep wrong, and have a sore neck for days. I can step wrong and mess up my back. I can lift something wrong and hurt a few days later. However, this is the first time I have heard of leaning forward wrong. Maybe it is something for me to look forward to?
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Old 18 December 2018, 07:43 PM
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I don't know--how bad are your shoulders? If you don't have to do pendulum exercises, you won't hurt your back leaning forward.

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Old 18 December 2018, 08:57 PM
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One shoulder is starting to go. Yay, more ways to mess up lie ahead!
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Old 18 December 2018, 10:03 PM
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I guess I leaned forward wrong.
Didn't Michelle Obama just tell us that leaning in doesn't work?
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Old 19 December 2018, 03:03 AM
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I wasn't sure whether this belonged here or in LTTAM, but since this is Unhijackable, and anything goes, I chose here.

I have some exercises to do for my shoulder. One is to stand with your good arm braced on a counter or wall, lean slightly forward, and let the weight of the bad arm just dangle. Then you use your shoulder muscles to move your arm around like a pendulum. So I did this last night, and managed to screw up my back.

I guess I leaned forward wrong.

Seaboe
Try leaning forward with you head against the wall. I forget how I did that exercise for my shoulder.
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Old 20 December 2018, 09:28 AM
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Here's a sneak peek at the cardboard mammoth I was working on all this week:






I made every part of the head except the tusks. Some other guys are making the body and it's .... uh .... let's just say it's not quite as palaeontologically accurate as the head.

They're doing their best but they're not great at planning ahead.
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Old 20 December 2018, 02:31 PM
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That is one mammoth mammoth.


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