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Old 01 January 2014, 07:06 PM
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Comment: I heard recently that ATT has requested permission from the
government to entirely phase out land lines. This sounds unlikely to me,
but also sounds like exactly the sort of rumor that would spread widely
and quickly, whether or not it is true.
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Old 01 January 2014, 07:11 PM
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Seems unlikely since the "land lines" are often the same physical wires that carry internet services and in some cases cable TV.

I can see a day when the traditional analog phone signal is no longer sent along the phone wires, instead the wires carry something like VOIP. A standard phone would no longer work but the same "land lines" are used for the digital transmission.
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Old 01 January 2014, 07:28 PM
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AT&T And Verizon have been pushing Federal regulators to sunset the nations traditional copper based communications network - and the regulations that go with it,


It is true -- Copper is a lot more expensive to set up and maintain than wireless, and wireless is getting fast enough to replace wired connections --
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Old 01 January 2014, 07:58 PM
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For a Forbes article that sure seems to be a pretty biased article.

They seem to slide between wireless and high speed wired as if they are the same thing. AT&T has a valid point; sending traditional analog voice over copper wires is inefficient. Converting to VOIP gets much better use of the existing infrastructure than does maintaining an expensive 100 year old technology indefinitely.
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Old 02 January 2014, 04:58 AM
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They seem to slide between wireless and high speed wired as if they are the same thing.
Right. The Forbes article does a poor job of distinguishing the two. In fact, I see a lot of this so I can't fault the author of the OP for being confused. I looked around for a good explanation and I found this DSLReports.com forum thread from a forum member who was concerned about the possible removal of the copper infrastructure from his or her neighborhood. Here's how a Verizon forum member responded:
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It is called "network evolution". Yes Verizon CAN force you off of the copper and onto the Fiber. What they CANNOT do is force you from a regulated service to a deregulated service.
{ snip }
In summary, YES, everyone in a FiOS enabled area will eventually be forced onto the fiber, but you can keep your same deregulated services.
In addition, I can speak from personal experience. When Verizon FiOS became available in my neighborhood they gave me the following options:
  • Landline phone only.
  • Landline phone and Internet.
  • Landline phone and TV.
  • Landline phone, Internet, and TV.
I took the second option and when it was installed they cut the copper wiring to my house.

While landline phones are certainly in decline neither AT&T or Verizon has said anything about getting rid of them or getting out of that business.

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I didn't read the reports, but in Canada, Bell was switching over from copper wires to fiber-optic ones ages ago, at least 15 years now, and probably twenty.
We had an old copper wire leading to our house (this was before you took responsibility for the part on your property), and it was severed twice by cable people, and finally we got Bell people up to check the state of it and they were horrified and laid a new one the same day.
Landlines often still work even when the electricity is out for a period of time. It's why we still have one phone with a cord - because of course the cordless phones stop working when the electricity goes out.
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It is true -- Copper is a lot more expensive to set up and maintain than wireless, and wireless is getting fast enough to replace wired connections --
But not nearly as reliable.

Also, remember that the frequency spectrum is a very limited resource. Suitable frequencies for wireless data transmission is even more limited. It's fast now when not so many use it, but as more people use it, they will have to share the capacity. You can't have "separate wires" when you run wireless.
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I didn't read the reports, but in Canada, Bell was switching over from copper wires to fiber-optic ones ages ago, at least 15 years now, and probably twenty.
I remember reading years ago (late '70s, early '80s) about AT&T installing fiber optic cables in downtown Chicago. I found this really cool fiber optic timeline that mentions that and shows how far back the basis of the technology goes.
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Why on earth would anyone insist that the "land line" infrastructure continue to be copper and not the much faster (and cheaper) fiber optic?
Too much misinformation out there. While researching my post above I came across several articles where customers complained about how some AT&T and Verizon salespeople were using the switch to fiber optic to up-sell other products. In all of these articles the customers did not understand how these changes would actually affect them.

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