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Old 14 July 2017, 02:10 PM
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Rowan County prayer lawsuit returns to 4th Circuit Court of Appeals

I'm linking to this article because the one I read this morning (July 14) isn't publicly available (it's a subscription only service). The full court said
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A North Carolina county’s practice of beginning meetings with legislator-led prayers is unconstitutional
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Old 14 July 2017, 02:59 PM
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I wondered where in the US Rowan county was so I clicked on the link. I knew it was in the southeast when NASCAR news was prominent on the page. Virginia for those who don't want to go look.
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Virginia for those who don't want to go look.
Isn't it North Carolina?
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Old 14 July 2017, 10:18 PM
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Know how to test the fairness of this? Invite a Muslim to offer a traditional Islamic prayer at the start of the meeting and see how any of these people are still speaking out in support of it.
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Old 14 July 2017, 10:57 PM
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Some prayers may stray close to an unacceptable level, but they don’t rise to the level of exploiting attendees, Ho said.
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She was also asked about whether people might be implicitly coerced to participate in prayers. They might feel uncomfortable leaving a meeting with relatively few attendees, all of whom stood for prayers, said Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson.

“Those feelings do not rise to the level of constitutional coercion,” Ho responded.
I know she's the lawyer fighting to keep the prayers, and IANAL, but I don't think the 1st Amendment only applies in cases of exploitative or coercive governmental endorsement of religion.

ETA: Or even better, a Satanist or Pastafarian. Sometimes they are okay with Muslims since they do believe in the same God.
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A Satanist could work, but not even Pastafarians take Pastafarians seriously. Remember, a lot of conservative Protestants don't believe that Catholics pray to the same god that they do, much less Muslims.

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Virginia for those who don't want to go look.
Isn't it North Carolina?
Some things in Dixie are just so horrendous you just have to... look away. Even if it's just one state North and still in Dixie.
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"NASCAR has its official headquarters in Daytona Beach, Florida, and also maintains offices in the North Carolina cities of Charlotte, Concord, and Conover. Regional offices are located in New York City and Los Angeles, with international offices in Mexico City and Toronto."

From Wiki.

Car racing in all forms, not just NASCAR, is popular throughout the southeast. Google for race tracks in your area and you may be surprised how many small circle tracks and drag tracks there are close to you.

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Old 18 July 2017, 03:25 PM
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Also, stock car racing evolved from Appalachian moonshiners and bootleggers* souping up their cars to evade law enforcement -- so NASCAR was born in the mountain south.

*I imagine there was at least some overlap between the two groups.
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Old 18 July 2017, 03:29 PM
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I love this board. From government sanctioned prayer to bootleggers in nine posts.

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Old 18 July 2017, 03:32 PM
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Almost every NASCAR race starts with an invocation and it is almost always Christian. So short journey.
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Old 18 July 2017, 03:36 PM
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Car racing in all forms, not just NASCAR, is popular throughout the southeast.
Not only the southeast. Also New York State -- I don't know about the whole state; but certainly in the Finger Lakes.
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Old 18 July 2017, 03:45 PM
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in the Finger Lakes.
Home of Watkins Glen. Want to go there sometime.
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Home of Watkins Glen. Want to go there sometime.
My family used to go to this every summer we lived in New York in the late 80s/early 90s. We'd make it a camping trip and would go catch the race during the day. My family isn't much into car racing (we were there mostly to visit friends who loved racing and camping), but I remember how gorgeous the area was.
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Home of Watkins Glen. Want to go there sometime.
Don't miss the Friday afternoon farmers' market.

Usually there's somebody else at my stand, though.
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The Finger Lakes are beautiful.
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