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Old 18 August 2009, 08:56 PM
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Comment: 545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation
and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on
appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank
does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme
Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are
directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic
problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that
problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered,
but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator,
a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't
care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The
politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the
lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how
he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that
what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con
regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker,
who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The
president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?
Nancy Pelosie. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow
House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If
the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot
replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of
incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic
problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you
fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want
to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army &Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in
IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement
plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they
hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice
they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate
and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con
you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like
"the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing
what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it.......... Is
up to you.


This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax - Food License Tax - Franchisee income
Tax
Fuel Permit Tax - Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax - Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Transient hotel rental tax - Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax - State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax Job Training Tax
Workers Compensation Tax-




STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100
years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had
absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world,
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?

I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!! YOU can help it
get there!!! GO AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN!!!



Is there anything left for them (our elected politicians)? to suck
money out of us and call it tax?

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Old 18 August 2009, 09:17 PM
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We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

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And replace them with people who are every bit as bad.
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Old 18 August 2009, 09:24 PM
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Why is the Supreme Court responsible for deficits? And how do we go about voting them out of office?

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The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes.
Wrong.

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She and fellow
House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If
the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
If it's that easy, why does the president have to sign it at all? Oh, I know! It's because it's not that easy unless it's a really really popular budget!

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Is there anything left for them (our elected politicians)? to suck
money out of us and call it tax?
Voters in Columbus approved a small increase in the city income tax recently, so yes.

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Old 18 August 2009, 09:25 PM
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We have high taxes?
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Old 18 August 2009, 09:26 PM
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LNot one of these taxes existed 100
years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had
absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world,
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
Not only did many mothers work outside the home 100 years ago, but so did many children.
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Old 18 August 2009, 09:35 PM
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Dog License Tax

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I read somewhere (and I'll do a google search when I get the chance) that dog licenses were first instituted in NYC about 100 years ago to distinguish between owned dogs and strays. The monies went toward the care of stray dogs. I don't know when the license started to be connected with rabies shot status like it is today (in my county at least); hell, I'm not sure when dogs started getting regular rabies shots. And it's not so much a tax, as it is a registration/renewal fee.

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Old 18 August 2009, 09:58 PM
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STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100
years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had
absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world,
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?
I would be enormously surprised to learn that the US was the richest country in the world in 1909. 1919, perhaps, as a result of Europe tearing itself apart in WWI, but in 1909 I would imagine the UK, France and Germany were all wealthier countries.

I'd also imagine that a higher proportion of US residents were unable to speak English in 1909 than now.
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Tries to think.
Well, the author won't get dinged for that one, at least.
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I would be enormously surprised to learn that the US was the richest country in the world in 1909. 1919, perhaps, as a result of Europe tearing itself apart in WWI, but in 1909 I would imagine the UK, France and Germany were all wealthier countries.
I don't think we had the largest middle class 100 years ago either. The American middle class (as it's commonly understood) was largely created during the Depression, World War II, and immediate post war eras.* (Surprise, surprise, a lot of that middle class came about because of government policies and programs.)

*I know, this construction is really nerdy and cumbersome. But it's accurate, dammit!
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Take out all occurences of the word "want" and replace with the word "need".

Many of the taxes that didn't exist 100 years ago are levied on things that didn't exist 100 years ago.

And is it true that the U.S. was the most prosperous nation in the world 100 years ago?
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Old 19 August 2009, 08:22 AM
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Well, the Government was hugely in debt after the Civil war, so it's not like Government debt is new. The US issued bonds to paid for the Louisiana Purchase as far as I can work out. According to the US Treasury -
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debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War amounted to $75,463,476.52 by January 1, 1791
The US was in debt almost before it was the US.
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Old 19 August 2009, 04:49 PM
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Comment: 545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Because creating the deficit is the lesser of two evils - do we want to spend more now and make our constituants happy, hoping to be more prosperous later and pay it off, or do we want to be fiscally responsible and piss off our "bosses" - the public.
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Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation
and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
We have inflation because of economic forces. No one intentionally legislates to create inflation.
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Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that
what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con
regardless of party.
I actually agree with this, to a point. We are no longer a representative democracy; we are an oligarchy - a government of the few, by the few, and for the few.
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What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker,
who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The
president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?
Nancy Pelosie. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow
House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If
the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
See Illinois (unfortunately). For several years, we have had incredably contentious budget battles; I don't think we have had a budget created, voted on, and in place on time in at least 5 years. Some of this is the fault of the prior governor; new governor this year, same story. This person is technically correct - Congress can pass whatever budget they desire, and they can override a presidential veto. I would hate to see the entire country go through what has become a summer tradition in Illinois.
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It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot
replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of
incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic
problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you
fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want
to exist.
Actually, pretty much so.
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If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
Yup.
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If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
Yup.
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If the Army &Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in
IRAQ
Yup. And, that's part of why we elected Obama - because we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place, and we finally wised up.
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If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement
plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
Yup, which is (again) why we elected Obama, because we are not happy with today and want it changed.
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There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they
hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice
they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate
and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con
you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like
"the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing
what they take an oath to do.
Two thoughts - one, he is correct, you can't blame the bureaucrats without blaming the elected officials. Two - he's bat-ass crazy if he thinks that "the economy" and "inflation" are mystical forces. Wall Street has a hell of a lot more to do with inflation than Washington.
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Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses.
Yup, which is why Harry S Truman had a plaque on his desk that said "The Buck Stops Here."
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Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Interestingly enough, polls routinely show that people are upset with congress in general, but happy with their own representative. Can't throw the bums out without throwing out our own beloved representative!
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Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it.......... Is
up to you.


This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

etc. etc. etc.
I was torn here between a Dr. Seuss analogy, or quoting The Beatles "Taxman". Both proof that there is nothing new under the sun.
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Not a reply of any substance here, but ...

My phone number has a 545 prefix and the first thing that popped into my addled brain upon reading the thread title was, "What, someone wrote spam about West Allis residents?"

Splish "West Allis is west of Milwaukee and West Milwaukee" Fish

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I guess the whole thing would have made more sense, if the author stayed with his/her observations on "the 545 people" and did not - apropos of nothing - suddenly include women leaving their nature given place in the kitchen and foreigners living in the US.

Apart from that: yes there are some forces outside of government control that you have to deal with. Otherwise there would be laws just regulating inflation. Yes, as has been mentioned, you can more or less politically stop inflation but it has its tradeoffs.
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I think the author's math is off; shouldn't the number be 645? There are also 100 Senators...
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I think the author's math is off; shouldn't the number be 645? There are also 100 Senators...
435 Representatives + 100 Senators + 9 Supreme Court justices + 1 President = 545
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Oh Charley Reese, why do you persist to torment me so? And from beyond the grave, even?

Charley was syndicated some years back, and my local paper ran his columns. He was a mean, nasty old man, who seethed with hatred for anything liberal. He was like Ann Coulter's predecessor.

He believed atheists could not have morality, and that we not only need to execute more people, we need to do it quickly, and by public hangings. Also, beheading is good too.

In general, Chuckles had a real hard-on for punishment, especially execution. The gleeful way he wrote about it made me shudder. To him, punishing your kid for doing something wrong wasn't a necessary evil, it was something to be ENJOYED.

I remember one column that was really frightening. I can't find it anymore, but he wrote gleefully about the good ol' days, when families used to pack a picnic lunch, dress the kids in their Sunday best, and all turn out for the day's hangings. Again, I can't find this on the internet, so I may be imagining it, but I'm pretty sure he wrote something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if his family had the article scrubbed, though. If my dad wrote that, I would.

I can't formulate a proper response to this piece of garbage, because, even though I know it's full of crap, I can't attack it objectively. My rationality is clouded by how much I hate Charley Reese.

I don't enjoy suffering, so I won't say I was happy when he died. But I was, I guess I'll say, relieved. Relieved because he couldn't sicken the world anymore with his hateful, spite-filled poison.

ETA: Hm, maybe I'm confusing his dying with retirement. I don't know why I thought he was dead.
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I remember one column that was really frightening. I can't find it anymore, but he wrote gleefully about the good ol' days, when families used to pack a picnic lunch, dress the kids in their Sunday best, and all turn out for the day's hangings. Again, I can't find this on the internet, so I may be imagining it, but I'm pretty sure he wrote something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if his family had the article scrubbed, though. If my dad wrote that, I would.
I found this article on the Usenet group soc.culture.cuba, which seems to match your description.
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