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Old 03 June 2008, 04:17 AM
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Solidarity as Americans
There are less than eight months until the election, an election that will
decide the next President of the United States .

The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the
Democrats or the Republicans.

To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show
each other our support for the candidate of our choice.

It's time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.

If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive
with your headlights on during the day.

If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off
at night.
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Old 03 June 2008, 04:26 AM
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O, the wit, the humour. Would that my sides would stop aching from the huge guffaws of laughter that burst from me as I read this piece.

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Old 03 June 2008, 04:50 AM
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I got this off of another forum. The response to any objection is "lighten up! it's just a joke! "
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Old 03 June 2008, 05:25 AM
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I'd imagine having half your population driving around with no lights on is probably going to be lethal to a fair amount motorists and pedestrians of any political persuasion.
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Old 03 June 2008, 05:44 AM
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You know, this one might be slightly amusing if we haven't seen it every two years over the last decade... ugh...
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Old 03 June 2008, 07:12 AM
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Oh, well: time to dust off my old favorite...

"The election is over,
the result is known,
the will of the people
has clearly been shown,
so let's all get together,
and let bitterness pass,
I'll hug your elephant,
and you kiss my donkey."

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Old 03 June 2008, 07:18 AM
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When I saw the subject line, I knew it was going to be something bashing Democrats in one way or another. It never ceases to amaze me how the right calls for "solidarity" at the exact same time that they attack the integrity and/or patriotism of the rest of us. And it probably all makes perfect sense to them.
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Old 03 June 2008, 08:28 AM
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When I saw the subject line, I knew it was going to be something bashing Democrats in one way or another. It never ceases to amaze me how the right calls for "solidarity" at the exact same time that they attack the integrity and/or patriotism of the rest of us. And it probably all makes perfect sense to them.
That's true, but I'm not sure if driving in the day with the headlines on is much of a good idea either. For one it's wasteful.
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Old 03 June 2008, 10:34 AM
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That's true, but I'm not sure if driving in the day with the headlines on is much of a good idea either. For one it's wasteful.
Don't you mean "stimulating the US economy"?
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Old 03 June 2008, 10:42 AM
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That's true, but I'm not sure if driving in the day with the headlines on is much of a good idea either. For one it's wasteful.
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Don't you mean "stimulating the US economy"?
Save valuable photons! While you go beaming lights all over the place during the day, there are kids on the other side of the world who are in darkness!
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Old 03 June 2008, 10:43 AM
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Don't you mean "stimulating the US economy"?
Very good.
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Old 03 June 2008, 06:46 PM
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You know, this one might be slightly amusing if we haven't seen it every two years over the last decade... ugh...
To the point that it even has its own snopes page.
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Old 03 June 2008, 07:04 PM
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That's true, but I'm not sure if driving in the day with the headlines on is much of a good idea either. For one it's wasteful.
Is it? I guess the energy has to come from somewhere -- those pesky conservation laws -- but is it a significant drain on gasoline and mileage? If I get 27 mpg with my headlights off, what does it drop to with them on?

(I drive with my lights on in the daytime to make myself more visible to other drivers...)

Silas (with apologies for the carjack)
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Old 03 June 2008, 07:18 PM
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Is it? I guess the energy has to come from somewhere -- those pesky conservation laws -- but is it a significant drain on gasoline and mileage? If I get 27 mpg with my headlights off, what does it drop to with them on?

(I drive with my lights on in the daytime to make myself more visible to other drivers...)
In this country, this topic has been talked about quite a bit three years ago, when the government recommended that cars drive with headlights on during the day in winter months to make themselves more visible to other drivers. The figure that was commonly mentioned was that cars would burn .2 extra liter of gasoline per 100 km. If I got my math right, that would bring your 27 mpg down to 26.4 mpg.
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Old 03 June 2008, 07:23 PM
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Is it? I guess the energy has to come from somewhere -- those pesky conservation laws -- but is it a significant drain on gasoline and mileage? If I get 27 mpg with my headlights off, what does it drop to with them on?
It might not be significantly wasteful, but it isn't needed.
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Old 03 June 2008, 08:42 PM
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That's true, but I'm not sure if driving in the day with the headlines on is much of a good idea either. For one it's wasteful.
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It might not be significantly wasteful, but it isn't needed.
Depends on the weather. When it's raining or snowing, for example, headlights can make it much easier for other drivers to see your car.

And it's not unusual for newer cars in North America to be equipped with standard daytime running lights, in which case driving with the lights on during the day isn't optional.

ETA: And IIRC, in some US states, there are laws requiring that headlights be turned on when windshield wipers are in use, the theory being that if you need your wipers to see where you're going, other drivers need your lights to see you.
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Old 03 June 2008, 11:30 PM
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It might not be significantly wasteful, but it isn't needed.
I wonder, though: if it helps even a little to avoid an accident, then it's cheap "insurance." But I do not know. I *think* it makes me a little more visible to other drivers, and thus a little safer, but I do not know if any studies have been done to show this.

Anyway, it's a habit now, like wearing seat-belts, and I'm too old to change...

Silas

(sigh... I saw an older driver yesterday, incompetent to deal with freeway traffic. He was a danger to himself and to everyone around him. It made me sad...and also a little afraid, as I'm no longer a teenager myself... What is the best way for the semi-elderly to maintain their driving skills...and to know when it's time to stop trying?)
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Old 04 June 2008, 12:19 AM
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I think I've mentioned it before but I lived on the route of a freeway test program that was intended to see if turning on headlights during the day made you more visible. After several years of having one section where headlights were required, there was a significant drop in accidents. It might lower your gas mileage but if it saves your life, I think it's worth it.

cites:
http://www.openroad.com.au/motoring_...afefeature.asp
http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/drl.html
http://www.swov.nl/rapport/r-97-36.pdf

ETA: There are naysayers but every actual study I can find said there is at least a slight advantage.

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Old 04 June 2008, 12:29 AM
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Daytime running lights have been standard on vehicles built in or imported into Canada since 1990. I have found that they make a big difference in being able to spot oncoming traffic before pulling out to pass. There are still some older vehicles on the roads around here and I definitely find them harder to see as they approach.
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Old 04 June 2008, 07:32 AM
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Just so long as you only have them on dip. I remember an argument with one fellow online who had his on full beam whenever they were on so that he "stood out from other cars".

Aaaaaargh. You don't have to stand out from *other cars*, you only have to stand out from *no car there*.
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