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Old 13 January 2007, 08:11 PM
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Comment: Add one more person to your list of people who swear they were
watching the Tonight Show when Johnny told Zsazsa to move the cat. I was
between 13 and 16 at the time and was "religious" about watching the
Tonight show, especially on Saturdays. I still have the line-up memorized.
Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Carol Bernette, Tonight show and Saturday
Night Live. This incident was definitely not 1972 or older it was 1975 up
as we moved to a new house just after I went into middle school and at
that time I had a tv in my bedroom.
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Old 13 January 2007, 10:02 PM
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Everyone seems to be "remembering" the event as shocking ... so why hasn't anyone found a news report from that time on how the TV station reacted to something so inappropriate being aired?
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Old 14 January 2007, 03:50 PM
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Everyone seems to be "remembering" the event as shocking ... so why hasn't anyone found a news report from that time on how the TV station reacted to something so inappropriate being aired?
It's so shocking that to air the news clips, or even have a record of them, would cause mayhem so devastating that it makes the Book of Revelation seem like a Disney movie.

And we can't have that. There are too many Disney movies out there as is.
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Old 14 January 2007, 04:08 PM
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All together now--you all know the tune:

(Profound apologies to the Eagles)
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Some poor folks just seem to lose their mem'ry,
And they write to snopes so they can say
They recall Carson's talk about the pussy
And what Groucho told the mommy on that day.

There are times a fat old head gets empty,
I guess some false old mem'ries may creep in,
And things seem true on evidence that's flimsy,
And so they reach for paper and get a pen.

Snopes tells 'em that they're wrong and they get huffy,
They insist that snopes is wrong, and that is that,
But the truth is, it's their brains that just got fluffy,
No facts support the Marx quip or that cat.

They be-lieve . . . thieir lyin' eyes,
They ig-nore . . . the skeptics' cries,
Never gon-na . . . realize,
All they got's their low-down, lyin' eyes.
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Old 14 January 2007, 04:25 PM
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All together now--you all know the tune:

(Profound apologies to the Eagles)
The Eagles have sung that version I dun hear it wit my own ears dag nabbit.
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Old 14 January 2007, 05:01 PM
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Comment: With all due respect to the very fine quality of your sight and
the obvious effort at being thorough, I do want to report that, in one
instance, my recollection is different than what you report. This has to
do with your assertions regarding Groucho Marx's "cigar" double entendre
in his "You Bet Your Life" show.
I was in high school, in the late 50's, in Harrisonburg, VA; I do not
recall the exact date; I graduated from High School in May 1960.
I recall the exact show which you report as an Urban Legend. It never
occurred to me, until your report that it is being considered an Urban
Legend.
The show, as I recall it, appeared to have been filmed, rather than being
alive, though, I am willing to admit, that part is not as clear. I can
not vouch for when it would have otherwise have occurred.
I recall being absolutely stunned that such a comment was able to be
"aired" on TV.
I have nothing more to validate my recollection. But it is not an
imagined recollection. I even repeated my recollection of the event
several times over the next several years.
Regarding the veracity of my recollections: I do not knowingly propogate
Urban Legends. In fact, I have actively "fought" some Urban Legends over
the years (predating the internet and your website) and have come to
appreciate your website as a resource that has made those efforts easier.
In other words, I have nothing more than my personal integrity and
recollections on which to base my claim.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that others might also write to you about
their recollections, similar to mine.
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Old 14 January 2007, 05:59 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised to find that others might also write to you about their recollections, similar to mine.
Gee, ya think?
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Old 14 January 2007, 06:28 PM
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I still have the line-up memorized.
Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Carol Bernette, Tonight show and Saturday
Night Live. This incident was definitely not 1972 or older it was 1975 up
But... the Tonight show was never on Saturday night, and Saturday Night Live on other nights as reruns is only in the last few years... WHAT A MEMORY!
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Old 14 January 2007, 06:33 PM
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Comment: On your "Trademark of a Devil" article discussing the Donahue
Show in 1994 that aired with the Proctor & Gamble President discussing
their connection to the Church of Satan... that show DID air because I saw
it myself!!!
1994? Interesting. I first saw the xeroxlore version of the "P&G/Church of Satan" story in 1985.
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Old 14 January 2007, 06:45 PM
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1994? Interesting. I first saw the xeroxlore version of the "P&G/Church of Satan" story in 1985.
Donahue was just following the trend.

He may not have done the story first, but he did it better!
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Old 14 January 2007, 06:55 PM
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I'm guilty of thinking I remembered the way something happened many years ago only to find out that it was completely different than I imagined.
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Old 14 January 2007, 08:18 PM
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I'm guilty of thinking I remembered the way something happened many years ago only to find out that it was completely different than I imagined.
My husband once thoroughly convinced himself that he had gotten down on one knee and presented me with a ring when he proposed. In reality, we were cuddling together on the couch and stayed that way, both for the proposal and my response. And we went shopping together for rings a week later.
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Old 14 January 2007, 08:21 PM
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That's funny because that's how I proposed to my wife
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Old 15 January 2007, 01:01 AM
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Not all that many years ago I was talking to my older sister and my mom and happened to mention riding on a fire truck and throwing candy out to kids in a Christmas parade. I had a very vivid memory of that from my childhood. Both of them told me that I had never ever done that--that my older sister had, once, when she was 16 and I was about 6, and I'd really wanted to go on the fire truck, too, but was too young. I insisted that I had too been on the truck--I clearly remembered it. So mom dug out the old family photos, and sure enough, there was my sister up on the truck and me crying in frustration because I couldn't ride it. "Well, maybe it was the next year," I said. No, that was the last year they'd had the Christmas parade in our little town for many, many years--it wasn't reinstated until just a couple of years ago.

Obsessive that I am, I went to our college library and dived into the microfilm records from our local newspaper. Not only did I verify that the parade took place the year Mom said it did, but right there on the front page was a big photo of the fire truck, with my sister on it. So I checked the next year's paper, and in a November issue was the story NO CHRISTMAS PARADE THIS YEAR, noting that because of traffic issues the city fathers had suspended the Christmas parade.

And yet...I remembered it all so vividly!

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Old 15 January 2007, 03:23 AM
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This thread is exactly why witness accounts should not be considered infallible evidence.
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Old 15 January 2007, 04:12 AM
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That's funny because that's how I proposed to my wife
I guess I already kinda hijacked this one, but I just had to add: Aw, so sweet. (I would have been embarrassed if he'd made a grand gesture. Cuddling while proposing was a good way to do it, IMHO.)

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Old 19 January 2007, 08:47 AM
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Comment: I guess I am one of the "millions" who are essentially being
called liars regarding the Johnny Carson-Zsa Zsa Gabor story that's on you
site and that has been aired on the TV Land Channel....

But, I am absolutely here to tell you that it did happen...I saw it when
it aired, it was the talk the next day with many others who saw it (I was
in college at the University of Tennessee at the time and the line of the
next day was "Did you see Carson last night?" and everyone laughing about
it)...and I've encountered others over the years that saw it...that's not
one you're going to forget.

She came on the stage carrying this white cat that she introduced to
Johnny and to the audience as "Pussy"...she sat down and they engaged in
the type of small talk that the show was known for...with a reference now
and then to the cat which she more than once referred to as "my
Pussy"...and during the dialog, with the cat purring in her lap, she asked
Johnny "would you like to pet my Pussy"...to which he glanced at Freddy
DeCordova and then gave the famous answer "well, you'll have to move the
cat" (I don't remember the wording being the "damn cat" as Jane Fonda
said)....and, of course, the next several seconds were filled with
laughter...as I recall, she left after her portion as the show went to a
commercial break, and they were still laughing about it when they came
back from the break.

I can't say when it happened, but I started watching the Tonight Show my
freshman year at UT which began in the fall of 1971, so it was some time
after the latter part of September of '71.

Contrary to all of the collection of inductive reasoning and even to the
written items saying it didn't happen, I promise you that it did, indeed,
happen.

You say that "millions claim to have seen it" even though "it never
happened"...what, then, would have these millions have seen, and how in
the world did these millions which would be all over the country, that
would not have been able to get together and concoct the story, come up
with the same stories if they hadn't seen it?

I realize this message isn't going to change your mind or cause you to
retract your position, but I could not sit by your conclusion when I knew
otherwise.
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Old 19 January 2007, 12:04 PM
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I consider myself to have an above-average memory, but I have several "memories" from early childhood that have proven to be the products of a healthy, normal (sometimes) brain. Makes me wonder if I truly have a good memory, or if I am just really good at "filling in the gaps".
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Old 19 January 2007, 12:22 PM
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I'm guilty of thinking I remembered the way something happened many years ago only to find out that it was completely different than I imagined.
Same here. I saw the movie "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" years ago, then saw it again about ten years later, and the ending (how Tiffany Bond was killed) was, to me, completely different. The first time I saw it, I would swear that she was killed by a hitman who was pretending to be a cop who pulled the Bonds over, but when I saw it later, she was essentially killed in a drive-by shooting. The first ending, I later realized, bore a striking resemblance to the ending of the video for "Smuggler's Blues" by Glen Frey, and I probably did see them about the same time.

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Old 19 January 2007, 06:12 PM
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I consider myself to have an above-average memory, but I have several "memories" from early childhood that have proven to be the products of a healthy, normal (sometimes) brain. Makes me wonder if I truly have a good memory, or if I am just really good at "filling in the gaps".
I could say the same thing. I think it's a common phenomenon, something innate to how our brains process memories. The key difference is that you recognize human memory is flawed and adjust your "memories" accordingly when presented with contrary information.

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