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Old 22 June 2009, 09:26 PM
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Even if you're insured in the US, you would still have to pick up these additional costs. Are you saying that because he could have been treated closer to home, but wasn't due to the socialized healthcare?
I'm also curious as to the specific treatment involved, whether the man had any supplemental insurance, where he lived, and so on. One who lives in a town of 2,000 cannot expect to have the same medical facilities as in a city of 2 million.
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Old 23 June 2009, 01:40 AM
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Have you ever seen a dead Soviet?
Only in photos - and I assure you that they all died from being denied life saving medical care by their socialist public health system...

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Old 23 June 2009, 03:51 AM
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I'm also curious as to the specific treatment involved, whether the man had any supplemental insurance, where he lived, and so on. One who lives in a town of 2,000 cannot expect to have the same medical facilities as in a city of 2 million.
Some provinces do offer travel assistance programs for cancer patients. I don't know about BC but in Ontario this is covered by the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long Term Care and is meant for people who must travel long distances to get treatment. They do cover costs like travel, meals and accomodation. I don't know if they would consider 2.5 hours a long distance or not though.
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Old 25 June 2009, 04:34 PM
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Comment: I heard someone on television today state that Canada's mortality
rate has increased 21% since the inception of the current health plan(s).
Is this true?
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Old 25 June 2009, 04:38 PM
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Comment: I heard someone on television today state that Canada's mortality
rate has increased 21% since the inception of the current health plan(s).
Is this true?
This is patently false. The mortality rate in Canada is 100%...eventually.
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Old 25 June 2009, 05:13 PM
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Comment: I heard someone on television today state that Canada's mortality rate has increased 21% since the inception of the current health plan(s). Is this true?
What current health plan? I have no idea what this mean, or why a provincial health plan would affect the national mortality rate as much.

This is about as useful as asking whether the current U.S. pollution laws are encouraging death.
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Old 13 July 2009, 01:40 AM
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Comment: Someone claimed:

Do you realize that Oregon has a public health care plan? When they get
requests for treatments they won't cover, they have sent letters to the
patients denying their claim but telling them the state will pay for their
assisted suicide instead.
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Old 13 July 2009, 07:27 AM
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She may live a few more years, and hopefully in that time she can get a good lawyer job, but it's not gonna be pretty, and with the lapse in health coverage it's not as if getting new insurance will cover the cancer.
Forget the cancer! On another forum a mother of premature twins was denied by the insurance company when she tried to insure her kids. They, of course, had a preexisting condition...
Not everybody is lucky enough to have a group insurance plan. I consider myself lucky, even though my plan is far worse than the insurance I had when I lived in Germany.
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Old 15 July 2009, 01:53 AM
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Comment: Someone claimed:

Do you realize that Oregon has a public health care plan? When they get
requests for treatments they won't cover, they have sent letters to the
patients denying their claim but telling them the state will pay for their
assisted suicide instead.
I don't work for OHP but while they might cover the death with dignity act medications I cannot imagine they include that kind of information in a rejection letter, in addition based only on the multitude of patients I've taken with OHP I don't think they reject too much in terms of life-saving care.


As for the "I've got mine, NFBSK you" viewpoint on insurance, even ignoring the patent selfishness about it not everybody who has insurance has very good insurance. Right now, until december, due to a change in my insurance I basically have "If you get into a car accident" insurance, not "Go to see the doc when you are sick" insurance. I know that we aren't talking about a true "public option" yet but its good to know we may be on that track.

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Old 15 July 2009, 07:19 AM
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What current health plan? I have no idea what this mean, or why a provincial health plan would affect the national mortality rate as much.

This is about as useful as asking whether the current U.S. pollution laws are encouraging death.
If Canada had a baby boom at the same time the US did, there could be a growing block of aging citizens who are beginning to die, causing the whole number of deaths to rise, although maybe not the percentage of deaths-- though if the birth rate dropped after the boom, and never rose quite as high again, even the percentage of citizens dying could be rising. As long as the median age of citizenry is rising, though, more deaths are certainly not being caused by National Health Care-- although the aging median population could be the reason for the institution of National Health Care in the first place. I hope this might work for us.
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Old 19 July 2009, 03:39 PM
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Comment: Subject: Health care!

FINALLY...THE $50,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED!!!!!..... YESTERDAY ON THE
"ABC..OBAMA SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE"...... OBAMA WAS ASKED, "MR. PRESIDENT
WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN
THE NEW "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM" THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON
????..... OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND DIDN'T A NSWER IT!!!..... A
NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS...
WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

IT WAS ALSO ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE
BILL".... HAS WRITTEN INTO IT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE (FROM THIS GREAT
HEALTH CARE PLAN). EXEMPT !!!!!

HOW ABOUT THOSE APPLES..... NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA OR CONGRESS..... BUT
"OK" FOR THE REST OF US????????

WE.... THE AMERICANS NEED TO STOP THIS ... ASAP!!!!....AND REVOLT... THIS
IS WRONG!!!!!

IF YOU AGREE PLEASE PASS THIS ON.... AND "REVOLT"!!!

SEND AND EMAIL TO YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN THE SAME QUESTION.

IF NOT, PLAN TO SUFFER (WITH THE OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN) WHILE OUR
POLITICIANS TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES..................
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Old 20 July 2009, 06:56 PM
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WE.... THE AMERICANS NEED TO STOP THIS ... ASAP!!!!....AND REVOLT... THIS
IS WRONG!!!!!

IF YOU AGREE PLEASE PASS THIS ON.... AND "REVOLT"!!!
Caps, scare quotes, multiple exclamation points and other random punctuation! Ouch - I need a government health plan to deal with my bleeding eyes.

Plus "REVOLT" really? Like attack and occupy government throwing the United States into political, social, economic and cultural turmoil? Sounds like the best way to get good care to me. I understand civil strife torn nations have absolutely the best affordable healthcare.

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Old 20 July 2009, 07:07 PM
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OBAMA WAS ASKED, "MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM" THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON
The plan is for the government to make health insurance available to those who don't have or can't afford it. Why would people (such as federal employees) who already have health insurance through their employers want to switch?

It's like saying that if you wouldn't give up your regular dining regimen to go eat the food at a homeless shelter every day, that must mean the homeless are getting shafted.
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Old 20 July 2009, 08:09 PM
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The plan is for the government to make health insurance available to those who don't have or can't afford it. Why would people (such as federal employees) who already have health insurance through their employers want to switch?

It's like saying that if you wouldn't give up your regular dining regimen to go eat the food at a homeless shelter every day, that must mean the homeless are getting shafted.
This argument is driving me crazy. One of the cornerstones of the program that the President has been touting is that you won't have to give up your current insurance. So if Obama were to say, "Yes, I'll forego my current insurance and go with the new program", the members of the Limbaugh party will rejoice. "See, you will have to give up your current insurance!!! The Democrat party has been lying all along!"
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Old 20 July 2009, 09:25 PM
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What I want to know is why revolt is in scare quotes. Is this going to be a fake revolt? Are we just going to glare angrily at Obama?
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Old 20 July 2009, 10:14 PM
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Yeah, it's totally my own fault that I make >20,000 a year and that a significant portion of my income goes towards utilities, school, and other family members' medical bills.
Well, you clearly don't want it bad enough. Haven't you read "The Secret"?
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Old 21 July 2009, 11:55 PM
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Canada Poll: Canadians like their health care despite grumbles

It's the bogeyman of the heated debate about overhauling U.S. health care. Critics charge that revamping the American system will turn the country into Canada, with a nationalized health care system and people dying as they wait for needed services they no longer can get.

New Ipsos/McClatchy online polls find that patients in Canada are indeed much more frustrated by waiting times to see medical specialists than patients in the United States are, and slightly less happy with the waiting times to see their family doctors.

However, they're much more likely to say that they have access to all the health care services they need at costs they can afford.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...y/1151492.html
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Old 22 July 2009, 03:04 AM
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Comment: Rep. Broun, R Georgia just stated that 50% of women diagnosed
with breast cancer in Canada die within 5 years because the Canadian
Health care system is bad. He also stated that the USA has a 90% survival
rate, which makes our health care system much better than Canada's. Where
is he getting theae statistics? From US Insurers or medical lobbyists?
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Old 22 July 2009, 10:36 PM
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Read This! Reform reality check

Sorting out the scare tactics and challenges facing health care overhaul:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32083506...h-health_care/
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Old 22 July 2009, 11:17 PM
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Comment: Another interesting aspect of the Health Plan?

"On Page 425 of Obama's health care bill, the Federal Government will
require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session
every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just
how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to
cut medicare spending!"
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