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Old 20 March 2008, 07:21 PM
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Man, I hate to hijack a thread, but I can't see not supporting a candidate based on what a bunch of sleazy asses might call him. That's too close to the "hetero-chair"* concept for my likes. In my opinion, you're letting the smear machine decide your candiate for you before they even take a shot.

*Hetero-chair: the purposely-empty seat in movie theatres between two male friends who wish to avoid being labelled "gay"
What numbskull came up with that!? I leave a chair open if it is practical , but not because of the horrors of gay-identification - I want armrests to myself, a place to set the snacks, and enough leg room that I don't have to scrunch my legs together like I was trying to maintain bladder control.
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Old 20 March 2008, 07:25 PM
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So there I was, a couple of weeks back, sitting under a mango tree in western Kenya, when Senator Barack Obama’s half-sister Auma says to me:

“My daughter’s father is British. My mom’s brother is married to a Russian. I have a brother in China engaged to a Chinese woman.”

My understanding is that this half brother living in China is Mark. He’s the son of Obama’s father and an American woman named Ruth, whom Obama Sr. met while at Harvard in the 1960s and brought back to Kenya.

That was after his marriage with Obama’s mother in Hawaii ended. Another son from the union with Ruth, called David, was killed in a motorcycle accident. In all, Obama Sr. fathered eight children by four women.
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Obama’s African family is particularly complicated. By his own account, his father never really left Kezia, his first wife, in Kenya. She bore Obama Sr two children, Roy and Auma, who now works in Berkshire.
They were separated, Obama’s mother claimed, but “it was a village wedding and there was no document that could suggest a divorce”. His own father and mother’s wedding in Hawaii may not have been properly documented either. “How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore,” Obama writes in his memoir. After his father left Ann and two-year-old Barack to study at Harvard, he went to Africa with another American woman, Ruth, who became his third wife. She bore him two sons in Kenya, one of whom died in a motorcycle accident, but Obama Sr continued to see Kezia. Kezia went on to bear two more sons, Abo and Bernard. Later in life Obama Sr, fathered another son, George, by a young Kenyan woman.
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Thus Obama's brothers and sisters are
Roy
Auma
Abo
Bernard
George
Maya
Mark
David (died)

The only name correct in the photo is Barack.

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Old 20 March 2008, 07:42 PM
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It's sort of amusing that the captioner added "dead" along with "jail", "crack addict", et al, as if it's Hakeem's fault somehow.
Well, the obvious intent is to connect them. "If his brothers are criminals, then this one must have been murdered!"

Lame.

And gay porn stars can just join the White House Press Corps like usual.
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Old 20 March 2008, 08:04 PM
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Well, the obvious intent is to connect them. "If his brothers are criminals, then this one must have been murdered!"

Lame.

And gay porn stars can just join the White House Press Corps like usual.
No no no, the White House Press Corps only takes gay escorts. Gay porn stars are supposed to become conservative homophobic milbloggers.
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Old 20 March 2008, 09:25 PM
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That is a really nasty piece of racism isn't it. Ugh.

It's a shame too because it's a nice photo - of people who all look happy and look good. A loving couple, a front row who are all beautifully dressed, genuine smiles and a nice spread of ages - it's a really nice family photo.

It is very depressing that anyone could look at that and immediately see it in such a negative and hateful light. Wow - they're black they must be criminals, and named "Washeteria" and people to be ashamed off !

I did find it odd that he was so much lighter skinned than the others - but as it's been explained that they were half siblings that no longer seems strange.

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Old 20 March 2008, 09:53 PM
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Wow - they're black they must be criminals, and named "Washeteria" and people to be ashamed off !
Once when I went to a Bob's Big Boy -- I am not making this up -- the hostess was a young black woman bearing a name tag that identified her as 'Launderette.'

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Old 20 March 2008, 10:17 PM
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This is probably where the originator of the fake names got the name Pookie

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'Pookie' keeps popping up in Obama's speeches
Folk character may help candidate connect with voters

Barack Obama has been talking about Cousin Pookie again.

"I need you to grab Cousin Pookie to vote; I need you to grab Ray Ray to vote," the Illinois senator declared at a mostly black rally in Kingstree, S.C., two days before the South Carolina primary.

Last March, in a sermon at Brown Chapel in Selma, Ala., on the 42nd anniversary of the historic voting rights marches there, Obama also invoked Pookie's name.

"If Cousin Pookie would vote, if Uncle Jethro would get off the couch and stop watching SportsCenter and go register some folks and go to the polls, we might have a different kind of politics," he said. There were affirmations of recognition.

But for those not in the know, the question remains: Who is this Pookie?

After Selma, Newhouse News Service consulted some of America's best minds on black culture, language and politics. In their interviews and e-mails, Pookie emerged as a stock character of the black popular imagination, a name that came to personify the kind of layabout kin who, if endearing, is also a source of some embarrassment and consternation. And, it turns out, in his use of Pookie, Obama reveals something about himself
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:19 PM
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Once when I went to a Bob's Big Boy -- I am not making this up -- the hostess was a young black woman bearing a name tag that identified her as 'Launderette.'
There is a girl in my daughter's day car named "Aerial." Not "Ariel," "Aerial." Her parents must be big fans of broadcast television.

I don't know the child's ethnicity, though. She's not in my daughter's class.
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:21 PM
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Hate to say I told you so but this is why I have supported Clinton. Hillary has been exhaustively investigated and vetted. Thus, the rightwing smear machine has less ammunition against her. They can only shoot blanks from previous smears.
Come on, though - surely the proportion of people in the USA who would take this seriously must be pretty low, and those people would never have voted for him anyway. This doesn't count as a "smear" - it's just blatant racism. The "swift boat" stuff was more-or-less believable (not true, but believable), and supposed to show that Kerry was being dishonest about his past; people might easily have heard it, believed it and changed their minds.

Who would ever look at this and think "You mean he's partly black? I hadn't noticed, but now that it's been drawn to my attention he's clearly a criminal type, and I will change my mind!" If anything I'd have thought it would have the effect of increasing, or at least consolidating, his support as people react against it.
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:24 PM
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Who would ever look at this and think "You mean he's partly black? I hadn't noticed, but now that it's been drawn to my attention he's clearly a criminal type, and I will change my mind!" If anything I'd have thought it would have the effect of increasing, or at least consolidating, his support as people react against it.
I agree that this is bizarre, but it is essentially what Obama supporters seemed to be saying when they accused Bill Clinton of "playing the race card" by mentioning that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina but didn't win the nomination. As if voters would say, "Yeah, but Jesse Jackson was black. Hang on, wait a minute...maybe Obama is black too! Eleventy-one!"
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:30 PM
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I agree that this is bizarre, but it is essentially what Obama supporters seemed to be saying when they accused Bill Clinton of "playing the race card" by mentioning that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina but didn't win the nomination. As if voters would say, "Yeah, but Jesse Jackson was black. Hang on, wait a minute...maybe Obama is black too! Eleventy-one!"
I was under the impression that the accusation against Bill Clinton was that he was trying to paint Obama as the "black candidate" - ie. as the candidate for black people, not for white people - rather than simply pointing out his race (which wouldn't be very accurate in any case). Such a strategy might be expected to work regardless of the race of the candidate if the charge can be made to stick: although it would work better with a black candidate, a white candidate with sympathy in the black community (hmm, sounds familiar...) might be equally damaged by the strategy.
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:34 PM
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I was under the impression that the accusation against Bill Clinton was that he was trying to paint Obama as the "black candidate" - ie. as the candidate for black people, not for white people - rather than simply pointing out his race (which wouldn't be very accurate in any case). Such a strategy might be expected to work regardless of the race of the candidate if the charge can be made to stick: although it would work better with a black candidate, a white candidate with sympathy in the black community (hmm, sounds familiar...) might be equally damaged by the strategy.
I was under the impression that he was coming up with a reason not to be concerned that his wife didn't win in South Carolina. But that was dismissed as simply preposterous. *sigh*
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:37 PM
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I was under the impression that he was coming up with a reason not to be concerned that his wife didn't win in South Carolina. But that was dismissed as simply preposterous. *sigh*
I think he's too savvy a campaigner for such a simple explanation. But that's just my impression.
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:44 PM
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I think he's too savvy a campaigner for such a simple explanation. But that's just my impression.
Not too savvy to piss off what has been a core constituency by invoking race, though.
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:46 PM
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I was under the impression that he was coming up with a reason not to be concerned that his wife didn't win in South Carolina. But that was dismissed as simply preposterous. *sigh*
One could wonder why he picked Jesse Jackson as his example, though, rather than John Edwards, who won South Carolina in 2004 but failed to get the nomination. An example from the last election seems more topical and relevant than one from twenty years ago (Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in 1984 and 1988)...
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Old 20 March 2008, 10:52 PM
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One could wonder why he picked Jesse Jackson as his example, though, rather than John Edwards, who won South Carolina in 2004 but failed to get the nomination. An example from the last election seems more topical and relevant than one from twenty years ago (Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in 1984 and 1988)...
Because it was also about why Jackson won SC; he won there because it is a state with a large black population. There was no secret about that. Pundits had been discussing it for months without being accused of playing the "race card." We've all seen the exit polls. Yet Bill Clinton was accused of wedge politics and playing the race card by mentioning that Jackson had won there but not won overall in the long run. As if no one had noticed until then that Barack Obama was not only a person of color, but running as a person of color.
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Old 20 March 2008, 11:08 PM
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Because it was also about why Jackson won SC; he won there because it is a state with a large black population. There was no secret about that. Pundits had been discussing it for months without being accused of playing the "race card." We've all seen the exit polls. Yet Bill Clinton was accused of wedge politics and playing the race card by mentioning that Jackson had won there but not won overall in the long run. As if no one had noticed until then that Barack Obama was not only a person of color, but running as a person of color.
Right, and Jackson in 1988 was viewed as the "black candidate" - ie. a single-issue candidate who was there just for the black community, and not a serious presidential contender. By linking Obama with Jackson, Clinton was (so the theory goes) trying to make the point that Obama, too, is a single-issue candidate who has now made his point and should just go away.

I should add that I'm not sure I buy this, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility for a good politician like Clinton.
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Old 20 March 2008, 11:23 PM
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Right, and Jackson in 1988 was viewed as the "black candidate" - ie. a single-issue candidate who was there just for the black community, and not a serious presidential contender. By linking Obama with Jackson, Clinton was (so the theory goes) trying to make the point that Obama, too, is a single-issue candidate who has now made his point and should just go away.

I should add that I'm not sure I buy this, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility for a good politician like Clinton.
I don't buy it at all. Obama had already won Iowa, after all, and Jackson certainly hadn't. I would find it highly unlikely that a politician as "savvy" as you admit B.C. is would be prepared to damage his wife's chances with a core constituency of hers on the off-chance that white voters would connect the reference to Jesse Jackson to the 20 year old idea of a single-issue candidate.

(ETA: Almost as unlikely as the idea that B.C. was trying to put voters off Obama by reminding them that he is black).

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Old 21 March 2008, 01:26 PM
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Once when I went to a Bob's Big Boy -- I am not making this up -- the hostess was a young black woman bearing a name tag that identified her as 'Launderette.'

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My brother worked at a place with plastic name tags on their shirts. He decided that he did not want to be called by the patrons by his real first name, so he made one up. He called himself Jose, even though there is no Latin ethnicity in us.

Perhaps the girl was the same way and selected a name for humour.
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Old 03 April 2008, 02:39 PM
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Everyone in this thread made excellent points. But I also want to mention that it shouldn't matter even if all of this were true. I always thought it was stupid when people said, "You shouldn't elect him, his brother is in jail!" or something. That would have no bearing on the actual candidate.

I think it's sad, though, that whoever made this thought people would believe it.
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