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Old 24 November 2015, 06:44 PM
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Also, look at producers and show runners who kill off characters to make the show "more realistic" and to prove "nobody's safe."
The message that no one is safe may be for actors. Like what happened to Valarie Harper with her eponymous show.
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Old 24 November 2015, 07:07 PM
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Not suprised to find out it wasn't Kirk and Uhura but honestly a little disappointed the first turned out not to be Em A Cor de Sua Pele (1965).
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The message that no one is safe may be for actors. Like what happened to Valarie Harper with her eponymous show.
Up to that point in my TV viewing I think this came second only to the fate of McLean Stevenson's character on MASH in terms of my personal shock reaction to a TV death.
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Old 25 November 2015, 02:42 PM
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The message that no one is safe may be for actors.
From what I've heard on various commentaries, it's for both audience and actors.

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Also, look at producers and show runners who kill off characters to make the show "more realistic" and to prove "nobody's safe." It's a TV show. People watch those for entertainment. They get attached to characters. Killing off characters mostly makes people not dare to care, and then why should they watch?
Depends on the nature of the show. If the show is supposed to be a suspenseful show it can kill the suspense pretty fast if you always put the characters in "danger" but the audience knows that none of the main cast can die.
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It’s a balancing act. Kill off the characters and lose fans, or don’t kill them off and lose fans. Which fanbase is larger? If it’s the former, you’re killing your show by killing the characters, and you’re teaching the fans not to trust you, the producer.

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It’s a balancing act. Kill off the characters and lose fans, or don’t kill them off and lose fans. Which fanbase is larger? If it’s the former, you’re killing your show by killing the characters, and you’re teaching the fans not to trust you, the producer.
Very true. One of the reasons that I lost interest in "24" was when it became apparent that the writers were more interested in SHOCKING twists every 2 episodes or so at the expense of continuity. They would have a reveal where a character turns out to be working for the bad guys but than when you think back to their actions in the past episodes there were often dozens of chances for them to have made their move for the bad guys and they never did, because they were still being written as good guys at that point.

As to killing off characters in general Damon Lindelof (of "Lost" fame) recently touched on it on an ep of "Talking Dead." On "Lost" they killed many characters but he said that there comes a point where a character becomes so popular with the fans that you can't kill them without having a huge fan backlash and those characters basically become unkillable unless the actor decides to leave. He said that watching "The Walking Dead" as a fan he is often thinking back to his time as a showrunner whenever they put a main character's life in jeopardy; 'but they can't kill Daryl without a huge backlash' ect.
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Old 01 December 2015, 02:44 PM
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To continue the hijack a little...

I find it annoying when show runners, writers and directors try to do things claiming they want to make the show "more realistic." It's TV. It's never going to be realistic. Even "reality" shows aren't realistic. If TV were realistic, each episode of a police procedural would track 6-12 cases, none of which would be solved in 42 minutes, legal shows would track another 6-12 cases, none of which would conclude in less than 5 years, and parents in comedies wouldn't consistently be stupider than their 14 year old children.

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'Star Trek's' interracial kiss 50 years ago boldly went where none other had gone before

It was the kiss heard around the galaxy.

Fifty years ago — and only one year after the U.S. Supreme Court declared interracial marriage was legal — two of science fiction's most enduring characters, Captain James T. Kirk and Lieutenant Nyota Uhura, kissed each other on "Star Trek."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...boldly-n941181
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'Star Trek's' interracial kiss 50 years ago boldly went where none other had gone before

It was the kiss heard around the galaxy.

Fifty years ago — and only one year after the U.S. Supreme Court declared interracial marriage was legal — two of science fiction's most enduring characters, Captain James T. Kirk and Lieutenant Nyota Uhura, kissed each other on "Star Trek."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...boldly-n941181
This is one of those lazy articles that just rehashes things that have been said too many times before, and not very accurately. (For example, Uhura had only one name in the original series - "Nyota Uhura" was retconned much later, and only used on screen in the recent movie reboots.)

The rather tenuous claim that this was American dramatic TV's first interracial kiss was first made long after it happened, probably for the sake of publicity. Star Trek, particularly through Gene Roddenberry, has a long history of unsupported claims made about it. This page has a lot to say about this particular claim, and references another analysis of same, if you want to explore further.

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...cial-kiss.html
https://www.agonybooth.com/tvs-first...tar-trek-27382
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Star Trek, particularly through Gene Roddenberry, has a long history of unsupported claims made about it.
Support please.
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