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Old 05 September 2015, 09:51 PM
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Welcome to the new war on cultural appropriation. At one time, such critiques were leveled against truly offensive art — work that trafficked in demeaning caricatures, such as blackface, 19th-century minstrel shows or ethnological expositions, which literally put indigenous people on display, often in cages. But these accusations have become a common attack against any artist or artwork that incorporates ideas from another culture, no matter how thoughtfully or positively.

A work can reinvent the material or even serve as a tribute, but no matter. If artists dabble outside their own cultural experiences, they’ve committed a creative sin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...appropriation/
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Old 05 September 2015, 10:24 PM
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"Cultural Appropriation" has become the new "political correctness." There are aspects of it that are a legitimate concern; examples would be stereotypical racist Halloween costumes. But, as with any buzzword, its application has become distorted to ridiculous lengths, to the point where (white) people are being told that they can't wear, look, listen to, or create anything that's even remotely influenced by or similar to another (non-white) culture -- as if each culture is something that has always existed in an unchanging pure form throughout human history. We all know that's nonsense.

But the Culture Police, who primarily are young women on Tumblr, don't seem understand the difference between exchange, appreciation, and appropriation.
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Old 05 September 2015, 10:35 PM
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Even Selena Gomez, a Latina artist, was assailed a couple of years ago for sporting a Hindu forehead dot, or bindi, in a Bollywood-style performance.
I'm baffled as to how the author thinks Gomez's being Latina is relevant to the question of whether she was appropriating Indian culture.

ETA: I have no opinion on whether Gomez was "appropriating" or not.
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Old 05 September 2015, 11:03 PM
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I'm baffled as to how the author thinks Gomez's being Latina is relevant to the question of whether she was appropriating Indian culture.
It's relevant that she isn't Indian. And pointing that she's Latina is pointing out that she isn't Indian.
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Old 05 September 2015, 11:18 PM
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It's relevant that she isn't Indian. And pointing that she's Latina is pointing out that she isn't Indian.
Yes, I get that part, but the author said [my emphasis] "Even Selena Gomez, a Latina artist.. . ." as if she found it particularly odd or surprising or egregious that Gomez was accused of appropriation.
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Old 06 September 2015, 01:24 AM
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While I'll concede that sometimes people who cry "Cultural Appropriation!" go too far, at the same time, when it comes to stuff like bindis and Native American headdresses, I'm on the side of the Indians/Native Americans. Because bindis and headdresses have religious significance in their culture, so I'd be a little offended by some white teenager wearing one because they think it's cool. You wouldn't run around in a kippah because it's cool, so you shouldn't do the same with bindis or headdresses.
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Old 06 September 2015, 02:36 AM
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Yes, I get that part, but the author said [my emphasis] "Even Selena Gomez, a Latina artist.. . ." as if she found it particularly odd or surprising or egregious that Gomez was accused of appropriation.
The only sense I could make out of that was that the author meant "Even brown people get accused of this!" -- as if all "brown" people were of the same culture, and therefore a Latina shouldn't be accused of appropriating something Hindu.

Not knowing anything about the context in which Gomez put on another culture's religious symbol, I also don't know whether she was improperly appropriating or not. But I agree with Mouse. And I'm somewhat confounded by the article's implication that trying recipes from a different culture should be treated in the same fashion as wearing religious symbols.
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Old 06 September 2015, 02:53 AM
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"Cultural Appropriation" has become the new "political correctness."
I agree in that more than 90% of the time they're both right on the money. Historically, that rises to around 99%. These borderline cases or false positives aren't really common enough to give flying fart in a rolling donut. I think many of them are just cases where people can't take criticism.
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Old 06 September 2015, 05:10 AM
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But, as with any buzzword, its application has become distorted to ridiculous lengths, to the point where (white) people are being told that they can't wear, look, listen to, or create anything that's even remotely influenced by or similar to another (non-white) culture -- as if each culture is something that has always existed in an unchanging pure form throughout human history.
Because white people are inherently evil and their associating with something makes it unclean. That's tumblr 101.

Funny how people who cry "cultural appropriation" never complain about non-whites doing traditionally white things like studying science or becoming president.
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Old 06 September 2015, 05:22 AM
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Dude, you really went there?

Here, check this video out, and then check your statement again and see if anything clicks.
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Old 06 September 2015, 05:28 AM
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Dude, you really went there?
Yes I did. Non-whites could not do those things in previous generations, and now they can. This is a good thing of course. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of someone saying "Since only black people have traditionally become rappers, white people rapping is cultural appropriation." Just switch the races around and it's just as ridiculous. "Since only white people have traditionally been president, black people becoming president is cultural appropriation." Whatever I decide to do is my business, regardless of the color of my skin. And if it hurts (g)your fragile ego, too bad.
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Old 06 September 2015, 10:44 AM
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Wow. OK, I don't want to Godwinize the thread or anything but there are few people in history who would claim that those are "traditionally white things". I'm not sure if even today's Klan would go that far in public. However, contrary to your claim, they and lots of other trash have indeed complained about blacks and other minorities simply trying to do those things - even just talking about doing those things and millions of other things - quite loudly for the past four centuries. Well, it's not all complaining. Complaining and torturing and bombing and jailing and lynching, etc.
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Yes I did. Non-whites could not do those things in previous generations, and now they can. This is a good thing of course. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of someone saying "Since only black people have traditionally become rappers, white people rapping is cultural appropriation." Just switch the races around and it's just as ridiculous. "Since only white people have traditionally been president, black people becoming president is cultural appropriation." Whatever I decide to do is my business, regardless of the color of my skin. And if it hurts (g)your fragile ego, too bad.
Non-white people have been doing science longer than white people.
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