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Old 16 March 2014, 02:35 AM
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In the tiny museum of Isma’ilya, northeast of Cairo, is an artifact that corroborates the Biblical Exodus.. It’s known as the “El Arish Stone”. It is a piece of black granite weighing two tons, measuring 4 feet in length, and 2.5 feet in width. It was found in 1887 on a farm at El Arish, lying on its side. At the time, it was being used as a water trough for cattle.

When archaeologist Frances Llewellyn Griffith found the slab of granite, his clue to its value was the hieroglyphics. By the writing, he dated the object to the Ptolemaic period, specifically the 30th Dynasty (380-360 BCE), when it was probably used as a shrine. The inscriptions seem to refer to events some 1200 years earlier (c. 1500 BCE) and appear to tell the story of the Exodus, but with a twist: this story is told from Pharaoh’s point of view.

The black granite inscription corroborates the story of the parting of the sea, as told in Exodus 14. There is a unique hieroglyph on it: three waves and two knives.

Egyptologist James Hoffmeier has suggested that we look at the hieroglyphic literally. Seen in this way, the obvious translation is the “parting of the sea” or the “parted sea”.

Because the El Arish stone was being used for water for cattle, some of the inscriptions have been eroded, leaving the ones on the right and back sides of the monument mostly intact. In all, 74 lines are still legible. One line seems to be referencing Moses: he is referred to as the “Prince of the Desert” and his Israelite followers are called the “evil ones” or “evil-doers”. The Egyptian text also tells about how Pharaoh chased the Queen Mother, Tefnut, presumably the royal princess that once raised Moses, as she was leaving with the departing Israelites. This corroborates the Talmud (Sotah 12a) which states that the princess left on the Exodus, marrying the Israelite leader, Caleb son of Yefuneh.

The stone also seems to be reporting some of the Biblical plagues, including prolonged darkness and a terrible tempest. Furthermore, it mentions a specific location next to where the sea parted. The place is called “Pekharti”. Remarkably, this exact place is mentioned in Exodus 14:2,9 as the location where the Israelites camped just prior to the parting of the sea. In the Book of Exodus, it is called “Pi-hahiroth”.

If all this is not enough the Torah states that, as he was dying, the Biblical patriarch Jacob/Israel blessed his son Joseph wishing for Joseph’s children to “fishify” i.e., that they ”increase in the land like fish”. For this blessing, he made up a new word; “fishify”, “Idgu” in Hebrew (Genesis 48:16). Later, when the Israelites are leaving on the Exodus they take the bones of Joseph with them to the Promised Land (Exodus 13:19). Shockingly, the El Arish stone says that when the “evildoers” left Egypt, they took “Dagai” with them. The exact nickname given by the Torah to Joseph!

Isn’t is curious how academics can ignore inconvenient archaeology..that proves the Bible?
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Old 16 March 2014, 03:09 AM
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So a stone telling the same stories as the bible, from a time long after the events are said to have happened, long after those stories had propagated, proves the bible? I guess all the numerous copies and translations of the bible "prove" the stories in it just as well.

Or, in other words, a modern story telling of the events of Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories, but from the point of view of Moriarty "proves" Sherlock Holmes was real?
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Old 16 March 2014, 03:13 AM
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Even if said artifact actually existed and all the hieroglyphics on it actually did translate in the way that's described, I don't get why someone would think that it proved Exodus anymore than the surviving bits of Norse mythology prove the existence of Fenrir and Surtr.
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Old 16 March 2014, 03:17 AM
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I do not think most archaeologist do not have much problems when it come to the exodus happening. It is more of a question of the details and how accurately the Bible portrayed them.

Did the Bible ever refer to Moses and the "Prince of the Desert", because I do not remember it.

Below is some information on the translation of the stone.

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Old 16 March 2014, 03:20 AM
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The Biblical translation of the hieroglyphs has been refuted by several sources. Here's the first one I googled:

The el-Arish Inscription is a text from the Ptolemaic period (305–31 BC) written on a shrine found at el-Arish on the Mediterranean coast in northern Sinai. It is a legendary text concerning the gods Shu, god of air and sunlight, and his son Geb, god of the earth, and has nothing to do with the Exodus. Immanuel Velikovsky related the inscription to the crossing of the sea in his books Worlds in Collision and Ages in Chaos. Jacobovici follows Velikovsky’s interpretations, claiming the text “tells the entire story of the Exodus from Pharaoh’s point of view,” even giving the precise location of the crossing. Velikovsky’s understanding of this text has been thoroughly refuted. Mewhinney writes, “His interpretations of the el-Arish inscription are so obviously, blatantly wrong in so many particulars that it is hard to see why there should have been any controversy over the facts of the case, excepting only minor details. We find names altered and combined, words mistranslated, characters confused with one another or split in two, and events set in the wrong time and place. To permit Velikovsky to make the associations he does, one would have to take a sledgehammer to the shrine, smash it to bits, and reassemble the pieces in a different order. The method*—a sort of ‘free association’ in which a whole complex of ideas is summoned up by an isolated word or phrase—*must be rejected as well” (2006).

This page debunks the claims more thoroughly.
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Old 16 March 2014, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Singing in the Drizzle View Post
I do not think most archaeologist do not have much problems when it come to the exodus happening. It is more of a question of the details and how accurately the Bible portrayed them.
As I recall, the real contention was whether the Israelites/Hebrews existed as a distinct culture from the rest of the tribes in the region at the time. The Biblical Exodus wasn't remotely possible.
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