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I did not change the subject to cyberbullying. That was brought up before I came here. Nor did I strawman you. I quoted you.
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RichardM changed the subject to bullying, rather randomly considering the flow of conversation (posts 56-58).
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And you're right. The cyberbully thing was brought up before you joined in on it. I apologize for saying you changed the subject. |
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Since I'm a stickler for details, it was RichardM, not Richard W.
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You’re right! Sorry, edited!
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Aside from the other issues already mentioned, why should religious styles get special consideration? I think this is just recognizing the problem but limiting it to cases where you personally can relate to it. For some people, cultural things are just as personally important as their religion.
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For some people, the cultural and the religious aren't separable.
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ganzfield you are assuming I am religious.
Yes, I was the one who introduced the topic of cyber bullying. That is because people are not are not understanding what I mean. It is wrong to criticize someone for wearing a popular dress of another culture. I do make an exception if that garb is of religious nature. That is because in many cultures, religious garb is earned. Not every one of that culture may wear that garb. Another example is the wearing of military uniforms, especially with medals, by those who do not deserve them. |
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erwins, you asked what the term "melting pot" had to do with this. Here is a quote taken from that unvarying source of truth, Wiki -
"The melting-together metaphor was in use by the 1780s. The exact term "melting pot" came into general usage in the United States after it was used as a metaphor describing a fusion of nationalities, cultures and ethnicities in the 1908 play of the same name. Melting pot - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot" I remember it from grade school history classes in the 50s. |
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http://www.newsweek.com/immigration-...ing-pot-408705 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_...cultural_idea) And add in an article on why cultural appropriation is something to learn about and consider the viewpoints of those who are affected: https://www.bustle.com/p/7-things-yo...that-are-60679 *I've read better articles, but I found that one first and it wasn't bad. If I find some of the others I've read before I'll link them. |
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**Too late to edit, but I wanted to clarify that I meant that no one was teaching the melting pot idea in the schools I attended. Not that no one did so anywhere.
As a teacher, I know that the way we have our localized systems set up that there are likely teachers out there who have taught exactly the same way since they started teaching still out there right now. So there were likely teachers who taught that America is a melting pot in the 80's... and there are probably teachers who were taught that in the 50's who repeat that to their students today. |
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Sorry, in the 80s, I was married for the 2nd time, working on advancing my career etc. So I don't know what is being taught now or then. I posted the description of the "melting pot" assuming it wasn't being taught after I left school.
No our society is not homogeneous. It probably would be much duller if it were. But part of our society has been a melting pot for northern Europeans, even in the recent past. In 1948, my parents entered into a "mixed" marriage. My mother's family is Norwegian, my father's German. I even heard that a person of African descent can even marry a "white" person now. (That is meant as sarcasm lest someone now start to claim I am racist.) In his book "Hawaii", James Michener has one of the characters comment that when every one is light tan the world will be a better place. Or words to that effect. It is taking time but our world, not just the US, is assimilating each other. I don't see that as a bad thing. I see the complaints about "culture appropriation" as a proclamation that one culture is better than another. |
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The term Melting Pot was used in one of the America theme'd episodes of School House Rock which ran until 1985. I graduated from High School in the mid-80s and it was the term used throughout my schooling.
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And could you expand on your last sentence? I don't understand what you are saying. Who is making the complaints? Those who don't understand what cultural appropriation is or those who are explaining that people should be cautious of doing so? |
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Steve, no it was not random. It was to intensify my disagreement with those who think a white woman can't wear a Japanese style dress.
St. Alia, the idea as posited by James Michener was that if we were all alike, all of the same tribe as it were, we wouldn't fight. The mayor of New Orleans was castigated by some for saying much the same. He was interpreted as saying people of African descent were going to be living in New Orleans. |
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At least, unless you're positing that we all somehow become identical clones with exactly the same life experiences. I doubt this is possible and I think it would be a very bad idea if it were possible. (Not to mention horribly boring.) The trick as I see it is not to somehow try to make everybody identical and/or all cultural items and ideas interchangeable; but how to learn to live with different people without killing each other over it. This has been accomplished in various places from time to time. I think we're more likely to pull off doing it more often, in more places, and for longer stretches of time if we acknowledge differences, take them seriously, and talk about them than if we try to make them disappear. ETA: and I don't think anyone here has said that "a white woman can't wear a Japanese style dress". Some of us have said that wearing clothing of other cultures than one's own would be better done after considering the implications and the specific circumstances of doing so. That's not at all the same thing. Last edited by thorny locust; 07 May 2018 at 03:08 AM. |
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