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Old 24 January 2018, 06:42 PM
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Judge Judge sentences Larry Nassar to 40-175 years: 'I just signed your death warrant'

Larry Nassar will never see the outside of a prison ever again. After seven days and more than 160 victim impact statements, the disgraced former Michigan State and USA Gymnastics doctor was sentenced on Wednesday to 40-175 years in prison for the sexual assault of gymnasts, some of them Olympians. Of the statements, 156 of them came from the victims themselves.

Nassar's sentence of 40-175 years will be served on top of 60 years he's already received for the possession of child pornography. His first year of eligibility for parole will be in 99 years -- or 2117.

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/n...death-warrant/
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Old 24 January 2018, 07:36 PM
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Good, he deserves it.
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Old 24 January 2018, 09:10 PM
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Can't say I disagree there.
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Old 25 January 2018, 12:44 AM
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He's local, I'm embarrassed to say. He was the doctor on record at the gymnastics club my daughter attended when she was a child. We never crossed paths though.

As I told my daughter, the fires of hell don't burn hot enough for that man.
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Old 25 January 2018, 01:27 PM
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The president of Michigan State resigned over this. It really sounds like there should be a LOT more investigation into this, like the judge said in the OP. It sounds like a lot of people got told things over the years, and just sort of...didn't do anything.

Also from reading about the way that the coaches and everyone else let the girls know, quite clearly, that the girls were not in control of their bodies, everyone else was...it really made me sure that I would NEVER let my kids get involved in gymnastics.
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Old 25 January 2018, 02:08 PM
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I'm glad she resigned, but this part of her statement strikes me as very weasely.

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"As tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. As president, it is only natural that I am the focus of this anger. Throughout my career, I have worked very hard to put Team MSU first. I have tried to make it not about me. ... Therefore, I am tendering my resignation as president."
Instead of acknowledging that, as president, she was ultimately responsible for what happened under her watch, she makes it sound like she's doing everyone a favor by resigning once the situation was "politicized".*

*Has it been politicized? I don't think so. Maybe she's defining it differently (possibly as "directly impacting me and and my job").
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Old 25 January 2018, 02:39 PM
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I suspect she means something along the lines of a witch-hunt to find someone to blame. But of course, it doesn't make it a witch-hunt when lots of people actually did blameworthy things and then are being blamed.
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Old 25 January 2018, 02:46 PM
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I'm sure that's what she means. I don't care for the implication that calls for her resignation were a witch-hunt.
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Old 25 January 2018, 05:01 PM
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Regardless of why she resigned, I hope that's not where things end. There are so many more people that need to lose their jobs, at the very least, who were so much more involved in Nassar's crimes.
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Old 26 January 2018, 02:38 AM
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I grew up in East Lansing and my parents still live there. I was hoping I wouldn't see any names I recognized. Unfortunately, the parent of a childhood friend was a mandated reporter and was told about Nasser and did not report it. It's just appalling.
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Old 26 January 2018, 03:46 AM
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There are a lot of people who should be in cells next to Nassar's over this.

To be honest, at this point I'm thinking that between scandals like this, all the doping, what's essentially bribery over the way cities are chosen to host, boycotting the Olympics might be a permanent thing for me.
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Old 26 January 2018, 05:00 AM
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Unfortunately, the parent of a childhood friend was a mandated reporter and was told about Nasser and did not report it.
Why though? Can someone explain to me why so many people knew and stayed silent? Were they all that scared of hurting the Gymnastics Federation? Did they all believe Nassar’s practices were medically justified?

Sorry if those are dumb questions, but it’s not like he was Béla Károlyi, the phenomenal coach who could get them all to the olympics, or someone like Harvey Weinstein, the producer with money and ex Mossad agents at his disposal. I don’t understand what power one creepy doctor held to get away with abusing so many children for so long.
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Old 26 January 2018, 12:48 PM
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LPP, in Delaware about 8 years ago a doctor was convicted of molesting a LOT of children at his practice, often very little kids. Afterwards it came out that a number of people, such as nurses, suspected things or even KNEW things, but...well, ya know, it is easier to just go along and who is going to believe them over a doctor?

A mom caught him in the act, and reported him. The police said the doctor was more credible than a young mom...so 15 more years of abuse. Nurses and other doctors KNEW he was doing things that were improper, but looked the other way since he was a doctor. His sister (who was his office manager) reported him to the state medical board. The head of the board decided to do nothing since he was a doctor.

Another time it was reported to the police, who talked to the DA. They declined to prosecute or really investigate since it would be hard to prove anything, what with him being a doctor. EIGHT different times there were allegations about him, but, well, he is a doctor.

So, the doctor is in prison for life. All the people who knew, or at least suspected, and did nothing? The medical board that did not investigate? There was a settlement, no admission of wrong-doing, and they just go on with their lives. The 1200+ kids who were abused? Well, they got a bit of money, and they can be satisfied that justice was served, except for all the people who didn't even get a reprimand for not reporting.
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Old 26 January 2018, 12:56 PM
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At my university health center in the early 80s, there was one doctor -- an older man who'd been there for decades -- who never saw female patients without a nurse present. I don't mean for gyn exams: he also never did those. We all assumed this was because of prior inappropriate behavior, but none of us ever questioned the fact that he was still practicing despite the apparent need for those precautions.
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:09 PM
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In the case of the person I knew, he found out about it because one of the girl's parents thought she was making it up and sought his help for her supposed psychological issues. I guess the parents and Nasser were more convincing than her. But mandated reporters aren't supposed to be making those kinds of judgement calls. She said she was being abused? You report it. I don't know why he didn't. Maybe he was trying to maintain the veneer of confidentiality that went along with his job.

As for everyone else who seemed to be protecting Nasser, it may appear on the outside looking in that he was a nobody, but in the gymnastics world he was not. He was the team trainer for the US women's gymnastics team. You can see him helping Kerri Strug after she injured herself on the vault at the Olympics. Many of the women tell of how they originally saw it as a privilege to be treated by him. He had enough authority that he could have kept them from competing if he really wanted to, or at least that it what he convinced them of.
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:24 PM
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I think a lot of it is believing the man with credentials over the girl, combined with a mixture of not wanting to believe bad things about a person you know, and shame, and not wanting to rock the boat about something that might not have even happened. It was easier to think that their daughter had something wrong with her than to believe that great doctor could be at fault.
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:48 PM
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He was cleared in 2014 in an investigation that included experts who reported that the women who reported him did not understand the "nuanced difference" between appropriate treatment and sexual assault. And that was just 3 years ago. People have a hard time believing girls and young women over a man, and particularly one in a very respected profession and position.
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:53 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, some of those "experts" were friends and/or colleagues of his and should not have been the ones doing the investigation. There was never any outside investigation ordered by MSU. This whole thing is a mess.
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:56 PM
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I think there may also be a large dose of willful ignorance because g-you don't want to think about all the people the hypothetical doctor has molested over the years.

ETA: As a separate post, my wife brought up the horrifying possibility that he chose his specialty and career for the express purpose of being able to molest little girls.
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:57 PM
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Deadspin has been covering this story quite thoroughly.

What Larry Nassar's Victoms Wanted Us to Know

This was a difficult post to read. I didn't realize one of the victims was a daughter from a family that was friends with Nassar's family. Her father didn't believe her and she was even talked into babysitting for Nassar's kids (I also didn't know he had children).

In some cases he was molesting the girls with a parent in the room, angling himself and the girl so the parent couldn't see.
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