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Comment: I was recently told about the historical existence of so-called
'ugly laws', laws once in effect in various places of the USA described as making it illegal for people with severe disfigurements or disabilities to go out in public, on pain of being arrested for upsetting normal folk. Such laws were alluded to in the recent film "Music Within". A bit of research on the Internet came up with intriguing but ambiguous results; the 'ugly laws" seem to be partly fact and partly - maybe mostly - urban legend. Here's what I found by googling about, and I'd be curious to know if more could be found out about it. I found several capsule histories of the status of the disabled in the USA referring to the 'ugly laws', usually in the same terms. More snuffling about revealed that most of these statements seemed to hark back to a single source, an essay by M. Cathleen Kaveny, J.D.Associate Professor of Law at the University of Notre Dame: "A person with an obvious disability making his way along Chicago's Michigan Avenue in December 1970 would not simply have been enjoying the spectacle of one of the nation's busiest commercial venues at the height of the Christmas shopping season. Whether he knew it or not, he also would have been engaged in an act of civil disobedience. On the books of the Chicago Municipal Code at that time was an ordinance colloquially known as "The Ugly Law".It provided that: 'No person who is diseased, maimed, mutilated or in any way deformed so as to be an unsightly or disgusting object or improper person to be allowed in or on the public ways or other public places in this city, or shall therein or thereon expose himself to public view, under a penalty of not less than one dollar nor more than fifty dollars for each offense.' Similar laws could be found on the books in cities such as Columbus, Ohio, and Omaha, Nebraska. They were not repealed until around 1973 or 1974." From 'an obvious disability' to 'unsightly or disgusting' seemed to me to be quite a jump, and a further clue that the spin being put on these laws - city by-laws, actually - was more than a tad distorted came from a brief reference in another place to the effect that all the so-called "ugly laws" were in fact not about disability or "ugliness" per se, but rather about the exploitative use of physical deformity for the purpose of soliciting alms in public places. Re-reading the Chicago ordnance in that light, it looks more like a case of very bad legal drafting (note that the ordnance as written is actually ungrammatical; the subject of the sentence - 'No person' - has no verb). I suspect that the phrase ". . . expose himself to public view . . " was really intended to cover only people deliberately exhibiting or making a show of their disfigurements to collect money from passers-by. Putting on a freak show, in effect. Now it may well be that the Chicago ordinance in particular was so badly worded that it could allow for the possibility that someone with a major disfiguring disability (as opposed to merely an 'obvious disability') could be arrested just for going outdoors or entering a public establishment. I doubt the case would stand up in court, though. In any event the absence of any reference in the disabled persons' rights sites to any actual instance of this ever happening strikes me as eloquent: if the law actually had ever been used that way, I should think we'd be hearing about it. |
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snopes, it must be so delightful when you receive such an unusually eloquent and coherent comment, as opposed to the usual "how dare u say bloddy mary not real we did it and itz truuuuuuue!!!"
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Pah! Look at the rampant punctuation errors! I bet this person can't even spell "honor" or "center" correctly!
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A quick search of Illinois cases on LEXIS revels no cases involing the "Ugly Law." Now, absence of proof does not always equal proof of absence (esp. since LEXIS generally only contains appellate opinions, and only published ones at that), but I would think any such prosecution would have been appealed vigorously.
OT: Professor Kaveny -- the professor cited in the OP -- was my Contracts professor in law school. Just thought I'd share... -- Hip Zu |
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There are intelligent people left out there! Fixed yer spelling errors for ya, Chloe!
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Did find this though - which is interesting and has some cites to old State Codes -- evidence points to the past existence of 'ugly laws' even if I can't easily track down an actual copy of one. Sounds like someone somewhere has a good admin law note. Quote:
http://www.bazelon.org/issues/disabi...ief.html#N_27_ -Winged Monkey |
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An acquaintance of my mother's once commented about my uncle, a burn victim, that "people like that should stay home."
Interestingly, babies and children love him, "disfigurement" and all.
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Personal opinion - people like your mother's acquaintance are the ones who should stay home.
Pardon if I've offended you with that remark. |
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aimed at that thoughtless loon. I think you're spot on - if you (general) feel you are too sensitive to see people who don't measure up to your standards then you are the one with the responsibility to stay home. Victoria J
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I wonder if a law like this might have been spurred by the long-since-disproved belief in maternal impression.
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Hardly. I was furious.
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That another ridiculous lump of faux-science would be involved would be simply more of the same I guess. As to the modern people saying the disfigured shouldn't be on the streets - that's plain nasty. I understand that some have trouble relating to people with serious injuries, disfigurement, but really! I can't help but wonder if the ugly laws, and the attitude that would cause something similar today are the result of modern medicine. It seems like back even in the 19th century a lot more people would have had disfiguring injuries and diseases without much that doctors could do for them - while today it takes an especially bad case or injury that plastic surgery can't fix. -Winged Monkey |
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