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Old 30 August 2007, 09:34 PM
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Soapbox (Hillary) Clinton quotes

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

(2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by
the few, and for the few...... And to replace it with shared responsibility
for shared prosperity."

(3) "(We) ....can't just let business as usual go on, and that means
something has to be taken away from some people."

(4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to
give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common
ground."

(5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

(6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most
profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

Who said these things?

Now you might think these were the famous words of the Father of communism, Karl Marx........

....and you would be on the right track in thinking so.....but you would be
wrong......

These pearls of socialist/Marxist wisdom are from non other than our very
own, home-grown Marxist.........

Hillary Clinton!........

Comments made on:
(1) 6/29/04
(2) 5/29/07
(3) 6/4/07
(4) 6/4/07
(5) 6/4/07
(6) 9/2/05
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Old 30 August 2007, 09:36 PM
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Anyone who'd confuse Hillary Clinton for a Marxist can't have read much Marx. Which could explain how they would mistake those quotes for Marx, because they don't sound much like him.
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Old 30 August 2007, 10:09 PM
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Just another trial balloon....
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Old 30 August 2007, 11:06 PM
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Quote number two sounds like the definition of democracy. Not surprising that the vast right-wing conspiracy would consider it threatening.

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Old 30 August 2007, 11:32 PM
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Um, are those quotes supposed to be inflammatory? Am I a commie pinko nutjob if I don't think they are?
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Old 31 August 2007, 07:21 AM
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Anyone who'd confuse Hillary Clinton for a Marxist can't have read much Marx. Which could explain how they would mistake those quotes for Marx, because they don't sound much like him.
In the US at least, you are pretty safe in assuming that anyone who invokes Marx like that doesn't really know anything about him.
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Old 31 August 2007, 07:23 AM
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Quote number two sounds like the definition of democracy. Not surprising that the vast right-wing conspiracy would consider it threatening.
And what exactly is so "Marxist" about number 4. Sounds reasonable to me.
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Old 31 August 2007, 06:15 PM
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Hmmm. Let's see....
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(2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...... And to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."
I've been saying this for years. The United States is not a democracy, it's an oligarchy.
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(4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground."
OMG! People give up political power for the good of the nation? What could she be thinking?!?!?!
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(6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."
OMG - someone actually paying attention to high profits?!?!?! Well, we all know that Corporate America is honest and would never do anything to harm its workers, the evironment, etc.

Yeah, the Radical Right is getting desperate.
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Old 31 August 2007, 06:41 PM
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Number 6 is in reference to oil prices following Hurricane Katrina.

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SYRACUSE, N.Y., Sept. 2 -- Pressed by constituents alarmed by skyrocketing gasoline prices in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) accused oil companies of manipulating energy markets to enhance profits and decried a lack of national leadership for a plan to free the country from dependence on foreign oil.

"I want to go after the oil companies and the oil speculators and the manipulators of the money, because they're the ones who I think are really behind this," Clinton told an audience in Elmira Heights on Thursday. "You have a hurricane, and all of a sudden you see prices going up like that. That has . . . everything to do with people trying to make money off the backs of this tragedy."
ETA: She also made the comment on 1 september 05, not 2 sept.

Quote #1 refers to tax cuts for the wealthy (and in fact, was directed at the audience rather than Americans as a whole):

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Headlining an appearance with other Democratic women senators on behalf of Sen. Barbara Boxer [CA], who is up for re-election this year, Hillary Clinton told several hundred supporters -- some of whom had ponied up as much as $10,000 to attend -- to expect to lose some of the tax cuts passed by President Bush if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

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Old 31 August 2007, 06:51 PM
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Quote number two sounds like the definition of democracy. Not surprising that the vast right-wing conspiracy would consider it threatening.

Silas
Seriously, Man. I thought that sounded a lot like "Of the people, by the people, for the people." and number 4 sound a lot like "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." (I know he was a Kennedy, but still.)

-Dr. Dave, one of the more (on econominc issues) conservative members of this board.
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Old 31 August 2007, 06:55 PM
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I've got more...

Quote #2 is not only misconstrued, but butchered as well:

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CLINTON: It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an "on your own" society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a "we're all in it together" society.

Now, there is no greater force for economic growth than free markets, but markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers, and give all people a chance to succeed.

When we get our priorities in order and make the smart investments we need, the markets work well.
(I've bolded the portions quoted in the OP)

# 4 and 5 from the same interview.

Starting with #5:

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We have so many young people who are tremendously influenced by the media culture and by the celebrity culture, and who have a very difficult time trying to sort out the right decisions to make.

And I personally believe that the adult society has failed those people. I mean, I think that we have failed them in our churches, our schools, our government. And I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed. We have all failed.

We have left too many children to sort of fend for themselves morally. And, so, I think there is a great opportunity. But it would require sort of a -- a leaving at the sides the suspicion and the baggage that comes with people who have very strong, heartfelt feelings.
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Take health care. I think we could get almost unanimous agreement that having more than 45 million uninsured people, nine million of whom are children, is a moral wrong in America. And I think...

O'BRIEN: One minute, Senator.

(APPLAUSE)

O'BRIEN: One minute, Senator.

CLINTON: I think we could reach that agreement, and then we would have to start doing the hard work of deciding what we were going to do to make sure that they were not uninsured, because an uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact.

So, what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. And that requires people giving up a little bit of their own turf, in order to create this common ground.

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Old 31 August 2007, 07:11 PM
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{last one, I promise}

Aha! #3 is a misquotation. Compare from CNN's transcripts:

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The same with energy -- you know, we can't keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil, and the need to deal with global warming, and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God's creation, and just let business as usual go on.

O'BRIEN: Senator...

CLINTON: And that means something has...

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: ... to be taken away from some people.
and the OP:

Quote:
"(We) ....can't just let business as usual go on, and that means
something has to be taken away from some people."
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Old 31 August 2007, 07:23 PM
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Nicely Googled, Mateus!

You must be a commie too.
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Old 31 August 2007, 07:44 PM
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Quote number two sounds like the definition of democracy. Not surprising that the vast right-wing conspiracy would consider it threatening.
But ... but ... "sharing" means socialism, and socialism means taking money away from rich people who are entitled to it -- what could be more anti-democratic than that?

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She was on the Ellen Degeneres Show today.

Elen asked her what she thought about gay marriage, which surprised me since usually Ellen's show doesn't touch serious topics too much.

HC beat around the bush a little, and Ellen asked her bluntly if she thought anyone could say, Yes, I am for the legalization of gay marriage, and actually get elected. HC danced around that one in a way that basically came down to 'No but I'm not gonna use the word no'.

All other points aside, the simple fact of having a female president would just have major effects...I'd really like to see how it would work out.

Although in general I believe all politicians are equally bad, just each in their own way.
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Old 06 September 2007, 04:02 PM
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Although in general I believe all politicians are equally bad, just each in their own way.
My goodness. So you'd rank Lincoln and Nixon as political equals? Reagan and Hussein? Giuliani and Nagin? Kennedy and Khrushchev? I'd better stop myself before I go all Godwin on you.
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Old 07 September 2007, 04:22 AM
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Okay, maybe 'all' is a bit extreme of a word...but what I mean is, every candidate is going to have their failings. It's just a matter of making an educated guess at whose failings are going to do less damage.
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