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Old 13 June 2018, 08:01 PM
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I saw some speculation that the reason Trump and his advisers went nuts attacking Trudeau and by extension Canada was that he wanted to go into the meeting with North Korea looking tough. I guess subsequent events prove that theory wrong. He basically rolled over showed his tummy and wagged his curly little tail.
I had seen that too. I think Trump actually said something about it. I also think part of the reason he's gone off on Trudeau is because Trudeau is generally well liked (not getting in to politics here). Lots of memes about Trudeau's good looks, charisma, etc., but Trump has memes about small hands, bad hair, cheetos, lying, bad businessman, etc.
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Old 15 June 2018, 02:40 PM
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Default Sarah Huckabee Sanders' Immigration Press Conference Was Disgraceful

Of all the atrocities perpetrated by the Trump administration, the separation of children from their parents at the border is hitting the nation on a primal level. Officials have largely demurred when confronted with the issue, and Trump has falsely blamed family separation on Democratic legislation. On Wednesday, journalists were given a look at one of the facilities housing unaccompanied children, which MSNBC's Jacob Soboroff found to resemble a prison more than a shelter. On Thursday afternoon, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked about the issue during a heated press briefing. Her responses were disgraceful.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ration-w521546

Yet another enabler. I'd ask if these people have no shame but I know the answer. If she's actually on the verge of resigning I'd like to think this may have been the straw that broke her back and that she is actually human and feels real emotion.
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Old 18 June 2018, 03:08 PM
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For the last year of his work at the White House, Solomon Lartey spent hours taping together documents that had been torn to pieces. They came, he said, from the office of U.S. President Donald Trump.

"We had to make it neat, so it could be flat, so it could be scanned," he said. "We were told not to tell anybody that we were doing this."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episod...rump-1.4706822
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Old 18 June 2018, 03:43 PM
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Default Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’

On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.

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Old 19 June 2018, 02:20 PM
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Homeland Security chief says migrant children are 'well taken care of' a day after denying it was policy to detain them

Department of Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen on Monday said migrant children separated from their parents are being "well taken care of" just a day after claiming it wasn't administration policy to detain them in the first place. "It is important to know that these minors are very well taken care of. Don't believe the press," Nielsen said in an address to the National Sheriffs Association. "We have to do our job; we will not apologize doing for our job. ... This administration has a simple message: If you cross the border illegally, we will prosecute you," she added.


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How unsurprising that his enablers are liars just like him. And of course it's all the media's fault for reporting it. Why can't they all just go away and let these people do their jobs? Speaking of which, "We have to do our job" sounds scarily familiar. Nielsen might want to watch the History Channel (I know most of Trumps minions aren't big on reading).

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Old 19 June 2018, 03:22 PM
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Actually, given the History Channel's focus on pawn shops and conspiracy theories, I think that it's a channel that they probably do watch.

The thing that really disturbs me about this current ordeal is how closely it parallels what was done to Native American children several generations ago. People who remember going through that are still alive today and we're already repeating that mistake.
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Old 19 June 2018, 11:05 PM
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Their dancing around the subject of separating children from their parents would be hilarious if if weren't so infuriating a situation. "Oh, that's not happening. [Yes, it is.] Anyway, Obama was doing the same thing! [No, he wasn't.] [By the way, neither was Bush.] And it's the Democrats' fault! [No, it isn't.] And anyway, the Bible supports it! [No comment.]"

And of course the latest, where Trump basically said this is going to keep happening until Congress funds his wall. So apparently taking hostages to advance a political agenda is perfectly OK now.
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Old 20 June 2018, 02:08 PM
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Not sure if this counts, but our own venerable governor weighed in.

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I also think we need to understand what's happening. We do have some folks showing up at the border with children that are not their own.
Well sure, some children are with adults that aren't their parents. Probably because their parents have been killed, but you know, details.

Also, Ducey's answer to the many people who go to his office to petition the government for a redress of grievances? Limit the number of people who can be in the lobby to 15.
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Old 20 June 2018, 04:20 PM
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The interweebs have sprung up a new meme along the lines of "what about all the US citizens that are in jail? They are separated from their children. Where is the outrage about that?" Implying that since it is OK to separate kids from convicted criminals then it is OK to do the same for illegal immigrants.

Which is soooooo stupid. Manly because if you are a citizen and are in jail chances are about 99% that you have been CONVICTED of a crime. In the case of immigrants losing their children, they have been ACCUSED of a crime but that has not yet been adjudicated. The Turnip's administration decided that the immigrants would be detained instead of continuing the previous approach of charging them and releasing them pending court appearances. That is 100% the choice of POTUS and has zero to do with what the law does or does not say.
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Old 20 June 2018, 04:25 PM
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I think there is some confusion caused by the fact that the separation policy was in place under Obama, due in part by Flores v Meese, but Obama didn't insist on prosecuting everyone who tries to cross the border.
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Old 20 June 2018, 04:27 PM
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I am outraged that low-income people are often held before trial (and separated from their children) because of excessive bail requirements and because the often don't have the assets that a bail bondsman might require. As I'm sure you know, outrage is not a single-source emotion.

Also, the children of inmates are allowed to visit and talk to their parent(s), they are usually placed with relatives or the other parent, and the parent(s) usually have time to talk to their children before the separation and can do their best to prepare them. (One story I read said that the children of some illegal immigrants are taken away under false pretenses like getting a bath so the parents never have a chance to say a long-term goodbye.
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Old 20 June 2018, 04:32 PM
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Mexico Protesters shout 'shame' at Kirstjen Nielsen as she dines at Mexican restaurant

Protesters shout 'shame' at Kirstjen Nielsen as she dines at Mexican restaurant

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(CNN)With chants of "shame" and "end family separation," protesters shouted at Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen as she dined at a Mexican restaurant in Washington, DC.

Protesters from the Metro DC Democratic Socialists of America came into MXDC Cocina Mexicana, a popular restaurant near the White House, holding signs and confronted Nielsen on Tuesday night.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/polit...est/index.html
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Old 20 June 2018, 04:35 PM
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The interweebs have sprung up a new meme along the lines of "what about all the US citizens that are in jail? They are separated from their children. Where is the outrage about that?" Implying that since it is OK to separate kids from convicted criminals then it is OK to do the same for illegal immigrants.
Even for people being held in jail pretrial on criminal charges, most residents will have someone who will take care of their kid. There's another parent, grandparent, other family member, who will take the kid. The kid will be with familiar people, in their home, or another familiar home, with people who are in touch with the incarcerated parent.

There are certainly cases where both parents go to jail, or the only parent goes to jail, and child welfare gets involved, but they still tend to look first for placement with a relative. If there's no suitable relative, then they might wind up in foster care. Even that is a very far cry from mass detention in shelters and then losing touch with their parents altogether. (I know the initial reports about losing children we're not about the Trump policy, and there were explanations about how this was different, but new reports are coming out that suggest the same or worse is already happening with these kids.)

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Old 20 June 2018, 04:47 PM
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The quotes from the DHS Twitter account are utter bullshit.

Oh, how horrible that events completely out of our control have caused this situation. We are just as heartbroken as you are!
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Old 20 June 2018, 05:00 PM
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Corey Lewandowski refused to apologize Wednesday after he dismissed the story of a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome who was reportedly separated from her mother after crossing the border illegally.

While appearing Tuesday on Fox News, former senior Democratic National Committee adviser Zac Petkanas shared an anecdote he had read about "a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome" who had been "taken from her mother and put in a cage."

"Womp womp," the former Trump campaign manager responded.

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Old 20 June 2018, 05:21 PM
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To me, it was a "wah, wah" sound, the sad sound from a trumpet or trombone like this.

Either way, what makes him think he can mock the plight of someone disadvantaged with dismissive sounds?

Oh, right...
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Old 20 June 2018, 05:27 PM
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The quotes from the DHS Twitter account are utter bullshit.

Oh, how horrible that events completely out of our control have caused this situation. We are just as heartbroken as you are!
Well, one is bullshit:"...protestors who share her concern with our current immigration laws that have created a crisis on our southern border." I don't think they share her concerns or necessarily believe there is a crisis other than the one the administration is causing.

The other is just non sequitur, encouraging everyone to come to the DHSside.

These remind me of a semi-religious conservative group that once came unannounced and uninvited to a college I worked at and started handing out surveys with questions like "Which of the following do you think is most responsible for the declining morals in today's young people?"
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Old 20 June 2018, 05:32 PM
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I say the second one is as well because I'm pretty sure it isn't the "loopholes" in the immigration system that are causing this huge mess. And I seriously doubt that they really want people like the protesters involved in the process except so they can use them as scapegoats again later on.
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Old 20 June 2018, 05:33 PM
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Corey Lewandowski refused to apologize Wednesday after he dismissed the story of a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome who was reportedly separated from her mother after crossing the border illegally.
Local Talk Show Host played the clip and afterward summarized the incident quite nicely: Lewandowski stepped right in it! That was probably the only thing he could say over the radio, the FFC rules on swearing being what they are. And how embarrassing would it be to have to use the Dump Button on yourself?

I'd say stepping into it is a darn good assessment! Why do I continue to be surprised at the dumb/obnoxious/outright wrong things politicians say?
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Old 20 June 2018, 06:47 PM
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So that humanitarian crisis of children being separated from their families at the border that is totally the fault of the Democrats, who wouldn't close the "loopholes" and not a new policy, and the administration was powerless to stop it without Democrats giving their votes on immigration reform?

Trump says he will sign an executive order to stop the separations and keep families together in detention.

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