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I have heard the same story about barnacle geese:
http://scienceblogs.com/laelaps/2008..._barnacles.php Apparently addressed by Giraldus Cambrensis: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sourc...-barnacle.html |
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Thanks for that, Chloe. I was unfamiliar with that theme.
It appears that, during his travels in Venezuela around 1800, Humboldt described a practice among Jesuit missionaries of considering capybara (and other non-fish species) as fish (or, at least, amphibibious) and, therefore, Lent-appropriate. (Still, there's no mention of a papal decree. And this is, after all, from Humboldt and not from Jesuit priests.) The following appeared in an extract of Personal Narrative of the Travels to the Equinoctial Regions of America During the Years 1799-1804 (Humboldt and Bonpland), which was published in The Port Folio (September, 1821). Quote:
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If beavers can be considered fish for the same reason so why not capybaras?
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I recently read a historical novel that stated seals were considered fish.
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Along the Swedish West coast you can see fishmongers' signs (at least you could before all specialised shops died out) advertising "Fisk och Sill" = "Fish and Herring".
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Apparently for similar reasons rabbits are supposed to be a sort of bird in Japan... (they use the same counting system as birds, I think).
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That Wikipedia page is interesting, Floater, because footnote 23 reads,
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What's also interesting about that footnote is that a discussion elsewhere cites a 1974 source holding that Padre Sojo (1739-1799), Venezuela's most famous cleric, "went to Italy at the end of the XVIII century and obtained [a bull] from the Pope whereby it was established that the capybara, because of its amphibious habits, was legitimate lenten fare, just like fish." Is there documentation for this trip or at least for a decision from the Vatican or from European (perhaps Spanish) academicians? In the end, I'm curious about the circumstances that led to the Venezulan practice of considering capybaras (and other non-fish species) fish for purposes of Lent. Specifically, I'm interested to know whether there was a particular appeal to a European clerical body or official or whether this practice was adopted locally without obtaining consent from higher authorities. Thanks for the replies, everyone. -- Bonnie |
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What was really confusing for me is I read the thread's title as Chupicabra = Fish.
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There's a Rasputina song called "Rats" that deals with this theme, but songwriter Melora Creager has said it's not based on anything.
"Rats" Very many years ago, the Bolivians were starving so. They had rats as big as ponies there. They asked the Pope To declare them fish. We thank the Pope for granting us this wish. When Friday comes, we'll all call rats fish. We catch them with a net, kill with the gun. We'll call it all forgotten when we're done. They didn't look like rats at all, but like some horrendous horse doll. Still they had to eat this thing. In gratitude, the Pope-they kissed his ring. --NewZer0 |
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That Jesus fella is overrated.
I reckon with 5 loaves and a couple of capybara, even I could whack on a pretty decent BBQ for a multitude of my mates. |
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Comment: I have heard that the Catholic Church declared capybaras OK to
eat during Lent back in the 1500s, as they were deemed "fish" due to their aquatic nature. This provided a nice source of protein for the Conquistadors. True or not true? |
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In the 17th century, the Bishop of Quebec approached his superiors in the Church and asked whether his flock would be permitted to eat beaver meat on Fridays during Lent, despite the fact that meat-eating was forbidden. Since the semi-aquatic rodent was a skilled swimmer, the Church declared that the beaver was a fish. Being a fish, beaver barbeques were permitted throughout Lent. Problem solved!
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ers-were-fish/ |
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I can't find it, but there was a letter posted on some website from the RC Archbishop of New Orleans posted that declared that alligator was considered 'fish' for Lenten fasting purposes.
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